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Thoroughbred Fan 11-18-2008 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I would breed my mare to Curlin in a heart beat..He looked the part, is out of a very significant sire, was fast as sheat early, and was basically sound..What else do do need to know or want!!!

The correct terminology is by a significant sire and out of a mare from a modest family.

Kasept 11-20-2008 05:57 AM

Jess Jackson press liason Ray Paulick reporting that Curlin will stand at Lane's End for his stud career...

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/curlin-to-lanes-end/

Linny 11-20-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Didn't that involve Penny Chenery's dad and the family's financial situation though? If you're trying to save the farm, it's a bit more forgivable.

Oh and about the turn of the century thing, since I believe technically it began in 2001 not 2000 as commonly thought (though I'm still gonna think of 2000 as the dawn of the new whatever) doesn't that mean we're talking top 10 from 2001-2008? I mean it doesn't even include Tiznow's 2000 season or Giant's Causeway. Sneaky there, Jess.

Secretariat and Riva Ridge were syndicated because it was the only Penny Chenery could pay the taxes on the estate she inherited from her father. Estate taxes at the time ran about 60% of the value of the property and she hoped to continue to operate the farm. To keep the farm she had to sell it's teo most significant assets.

Nashua was syndicated in large part because of the the sudden death (by gunshot) of his owner. He did run a complete 4yo season ending with the JCGC. The Woodwards had a long association with Claiborne and one might assume that had Woodward not been killed that Nashua would have stood there, not at Spendthrift.

freddymo 11-20-2008 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
The correct terminology is by a significant sire and out of a mare from a modest family.

I knew that and should have written it correctly..thx for the update

Cannon Shell 11-20-2008 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Jess Jackson press liason Ray Paulick reporting that Curlin will stand at Lane's End for his stud career...

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/curlin-to-lanes-end/

Other members of the CAS (Curlin apologist society) Paul Moran and Gary West are going to be hard pressed to find topics to write about now that big Brown and Curlin are retired.

Echo Farm 11-20-2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Jess Jackson press liason Ray Paulick reporting that Curlin will stand at Lane's End for his stud career...

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/curlin-to-lanes-end/

Scoop Paulick, the Matt Drudge wannabe and the Equidaily copycat.

(except he adds lifted pics to his rag)

Habersham000 11-20-2008 11:09 AM

I have a hard time believing Curlin is going to Lane's End...they already stand Smart Strike, would that be a smart move? It would take away a good amount of business from him

Linny 11-20-2008 11:26 AM

No idea if Curlin is going the LE but it would be no shock. Farms stand sire/son combos alot.
I guess they figure if a son is going to take business from a sire then better to have that business stay on the same farm. Also, they may be looking long term at the son taking over the legacy of the sire one day.

Danzig 11-20-2008 01:21 PM

smart strike will be 17-not terrible old, but he's certainly no spring chicken. makes sense to try to get what is his best son thus far to stand there as well. some will want to go to curlin, as they want to get in on a 'hot' commodity-while others will send a mare to smart strike, as he's already proven, while curlin is nothing more than a question mark right now.

Smooth Operator 11-20-2008 01:48 PM

I won't. lol

Antitrust32 11-20-2008 02:06 PM

lol

Smooth Operator 11-20-2008 03:19 PM

Oh brother ... another stalker

Hopefully you're a chick at least. lol

Antitrust32 11-20-2008 03:20 PM

lol


at least

GBBob 11-20-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Oh brother ... another stalker

Hopefully you're a chick at least. lol

You're the Curlin stalker S.O.

Smooth Operator 11-20-2008 03:24 PM

Only horse S.O. ever stalked was the great GZ. :cool:

Danzig 11-20-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
lol


at least

lol

Smooth Operator 11-21-2008 07:45 AM

lol

Travis Stone 11-21-2008 09:36 AM

This historical argument is legit, but Curlin's Dubai World Cup was pretty awesome, and his Man O War wasn't anything to sneeze at either.

Coach Pants 11-21-2008 09:36 AM

lol two races

Travis Stone 11-21-2008 09:42 AM

lol yes

But to say he had a completely unspectacular year would be an overstatement.

Travis Stone 11-21-2008 09:46 AM

The days of the 'wow' horse seem to be a thing of the past, so hanging hats on the more workmanlike runners while keeping historical perspective in-tact is not the worst way to keep interest in this game.

Coach Pants 11-21-2008 09:48 AM

Well stem cell research is a priority because horse racing fans aren't going to live forever. There's a 20 year window to keep the majority of fans alive.

Danzig 11-21-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
This historical argument is legit, but Curlin's Dubai World Cup was pretty awesome, and his Man O War wasn't anything to sneeze at either.

yeah, beating well armed was a career highlight.

lol

Travis Stone 11-21-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
yeah, beating well armed was a career highlight.

lol

Well Armed ran second in the Pacific Classic and won the Goodwood... both times beating many of the best horses America put out this year. I'm not arguing his placement amongst history, but for this year and what we've seen recently in racing, he's something we should at least appreciate, no?

Danzig 11-21-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Well Armed ran second in the Pacific Classic and won the Goodwood... both times beating many of the best horses America put out this year. I'm not arguing his placement amongst history, but for this year and what we've seen recently in racing, he's something we should at least appreciate, no?

no

Coach Pants 11-21-2008 09:58 AM

Maybe they can put sunglasses on horses to emulate the WSOP. That should bring in some new fans.

Danzig 11-21-2008 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
:rolleyes:


:D

i mean...someone had to win those races-doesn't make them good.

Travis Stone 11-21-2008 10:00 AM

I don't disagree with you there, but in perspective specifically compared to what we've had to root for in the handicap division in recent years and more so what we have to root for next year... being appreciative of Curlin isn't a crazy mindset.

Smooth Operator 11-21-2008 10:17 AM

Ya gotta admit, Travis, it was pretty funny watching those two young Euros blow by him at Anita. :D

Travis Stone 11-21-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Ya gotta admit, Travis, it was pretty funny watching those two young Euros blow by him at Anita. :D

I think it proves we are in a lot of trouble in terms of quality horse flesh on our side of the pond for years to come. We're not breeding horses to compete in those type races, and if we are, they're bought-up before they can even get to that point.

Danzig 11-21-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think it proves we are in a lot of trouble in terms of quality horse flesh on our side of the pond for years to come. We're not breeding horses to compete in those type races, and if we are, they're bought-up before they can even get to that point.

raven's pass was bred and owned by stonerside-they chose to send him there for turf racing, which paid off for the horse. they sold a half interest to darley, and then of course darley became the sole owner when they bought up stonerside in its entirety from the mcnairs.

Smooth Operator 11-21-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Listen, your trademark is the lol. You can't go around switching it up to the :D lol.

Think I like the big grin guy more. :D






lol

Danzig 11-21-2008 05:24 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

tis official....


“He is one of the best examples of the breed—fast, strong, and durable,” Jackson said. “I predict he will make a substantial contribution to our sport through his gene pool, and I am looking forward to seeing his foals compete and possibly exceed his unequaled race record.” :rolleyes:


steve....we really need a nauseated or puking face...sometimes the eye roll just isn't enough.

unequaled race record? :zz:

this, from the assman:

“Curlin made his mark in the history books in so many ways: as a classic winner, as a colt who traveled to Dubai and captured the World Cup, and who returned to take three more Grade 1 races and tally record earnings,” trainer Steve Asmussen said. “His physical and mental attitude is unparalleled and he retires perfectly sound.”

but...i just want to know-did he ever stop and stare at a bird for several minutes?

Danzig 12-01-2008 01:12 PM

the saga continues...judge rejected the sale of the 20% to jess jackson after the midnight cry duos attorney said $4mill wasn't enough.

Riot 12-01-2008 02:03 PM

And Jackson has said that's his final offer to buy the horse out, it won't increase.

So Jackson has Midnight Cry as minority partners through the stallion thing. I wonder what the contract says about participation and financial obligations of the minority partners re: the stud deal?

And if those lawyers have money to throw at a horses' stallion career as minority partners, yeah, I think those $$ ought to go to replace the $$ they stole from their phen-fen clients.

freddymo 12-01-2008 03:03 PM

Phen Fen was the shiet


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