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timmgirvan 10-10-2008 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by steve
who was charles ketting and what is john mccain's relationship to him...or maybe his top advisers role with freddie mac!
Prosecutors in the Keating 5 scandal cleared McCain of any impropriety long ago....but it makes for good headlines. However, 3 of the guilty ones are serving on Nobamas' presidential staff!

prudery 10-10-2008 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
That's fair, I was just curious what some Obama supporters thought about the alledged relationships.
As far as your questions goes. Of course I don't think he is a terrorist. As far as the republicans bringing it up now, of course it is a desperation play. It is very late in the game to be playing the muck game. But really what does McCain have to lose? I can't believe that it has taken so long to bring this up. I would have thought that Hilary would have touched on the subject a long time ago. Maybe it really is a non issue, or the media would have been all over right? Or is it just the liberal press. I think it is a little of both.
Bottom line is that people want a change. They see McCain being a republican and link him to GW (Obama has done a good job constantly linking the two). Obviously it is Obama's race to lose, but stranger things have happened and nothing would suprise me when Washington is involved.
Just as a relevant aside on theose sixties...

During the revolt/revolution/liberation heady days of the sixties, for some, it was like joining a club ...

--Only this club went against all most people's parents were for, and many traditions ...

It was new, exciting, full of questions, and MUCH beneficial came out of it, some of which we enjoy today ...

Though I shared a belief for change and improvement, and also LIKED where I lived, I did not join those clubs, though many people I knew did ...

I never bought into a violent revolution, but some did---as in the Chicago 7 ...

My boyfriend at the time, was a musician, film student and successful conscientious objecter .... Somewhat later he became a Jehovah's Witness, and now he is a conservative Republican, lover of George Bush ...

My association with him reflects none of the above ... And my current association with him is based on who he is today---a nice, bald, fat conservative Republican ...

I would suspect many of the Club revolutionaries and hippies I knew would be singularly embarrassed by their previous karmas ... The ex is not---he is somewhat the same guy, but with different values ...

I am confounded by Ayers' contemporary comments, but I feel that if he were a current threat to society, he would have been called out ...

Obama's associations with him were in today's educational arena working under the Annenberg umbrella under which there are Republican connections as well...

hi_im_god 10-10-2008 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
That's fair, I was just curious what some Obama supporters thought about the alledged relationships.
As far as your questions goes. Of course I don't think he is a terrorist. As far as the republicans bringing it up now, of course it is a desperation play. It is very late in the game to be playing the muck game. But really what does McCain have to lose? I can't believe that it has taken so long to bring this up. I would have thought that Hilary would have touched on the subject a long time ago. Maybe it really is a non issue, or the media would have been all over right? Or is it just the liberal press. I think it is a little of both.
Bottom line is that people want a change. They see McCain being a republican and link him to GW (Obama has done a good job constantly linking the two). Obviously it is Obama's race to lose, but stranger things have happened and nothing would suprise me when Washington is involved.
it's a ploy that appeals to the unemployed, inebriated, wife beating, couch potato republican base which may be concerned about obama's judgement.

looking at other posts here, it's working.

prudery 10-10-2008 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
it's a ploy that appeals to the unemployed, inebriated, wife beating, couch potato republican base which may be concerned about obama's judgement.

looking at other posts here, it's working.
Not as well as some hoped ... TFG ...

Mortimer 10-10-2008 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by prudery
Just as an irrelevant aside on those sixties...

During the revolt/revolution/liberation heady days of the sixties, for some, it was like joining a club ...

--Only this club went against all most people's parents were for, and many traditions ...like sex outside the office and highly stimulating dope rather than sissy scotch.

It was new, exciting, full of questions, and MUCH beneficial came out of it, some of which we enjoy today ...like sex outside the office and highly stimulating dope rather then sissy scotch.

Though I shared a belief for change and improvement, and also LOVED sex outside the office, I did not join those clubs, though I LOVE sex outside the office,many people I knew did ...

I never bought into a violent revolution, but some did---as in the Chicago 7 and Bill Hartack.

My boyfriend at the time, was a plummah, ne'er-do-well and successful conscientious objecter when it suited him. He never objected to sex outside the office. .... Somewhat later he became a Government Witness, and now he is on the run from LCN....

My association with him reflects none of the above ( ?? )... And my current association with him is based on who he is today---a nice, bald, fat dumbazz on the run. Good riddance to him. ...

I would suspect many of the Club revolutionaries and hippies I knew would be singularly embarrassed by their previous
Krishna-Krishna, Hari Rum Na's ... The ex is not---he is somewhat the same guy, but with different values ......ie....he doesn't have any.....

I am confounded by Ayers' contemporary comments, but I feel that if he were a current threat to society, he would have been shot ...

Obama's associations with him were in today's educational arena working under the Annenberg umbrella under which there are Republican connections as well......oh ah dunno


=:>

steve 10-10-2008 06:11 PM
why even be associated with keating who cost alot of people money. isn't this the same indisquestion(?) that obama is beingheld to

prudery 10-10-2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortimer
=:>
I think I need to get the cold water out---old yenta remedy ...

Stop editing me in lieu of something else ...

I looooved Bill Hartack...

Mortimer 10-10-2008 06:29 PM
wok good


stop yelling at me


My uncle said he was swine...but that's just him.

prudery 10-10-2008 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortimer
wok good


stop yelling at me


My uncle said he was swine...but that's just him.

The tongue is an unruly member, but silence poisons the soul ...

Sweet nothings ...

Danzig 10-10-2008 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
it's a ploy that appeals to the unemployed, inebriated, wife beating, couch potato republican base which may be concerned about obama's judgement.

looking at other posts here, it's working.
i thought the republican base was the ultra right wing religious zealot?


and we wonder why our pols can't work together. all these stereotypes being flung about....but we expect our govt, which is made up of our fellow citizens, to rise above all of this?

Danzig 10-10-2008 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Prosecutors in the Keating 5 scandal cleared McCain of any impropriety long ago....but it makes for good headlines. However, 3 of the guilty ones are serving on Nobamas' presidential staff!
are you referring to the three former fannie mae execs??? if so...



http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec..._economic.html

Cajungator26 10-10-2008 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
No.

His 'relationship' with Ayers wasn't much of a relationship at all, and honestly, spare me all the outrage over a 'racist minister'. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have said things very similar to what Jeremiah Wright said (America deserving 9/11), and I don't see anyone screaming 'kill him!' about McCain for associating with those two nutbags.

Big ****ing deal there's a black pastor who has resentment towards white people that Obama knows. I love how this white racism at McCain rallies is glanced over, but there's a black guy who doesn't like white people (one who Obama denounced) and everybody loses their ****. Get a grip. If you really think, after the guy has been campaigning for two years, that Obama secretly hates white people and loves domestic terrorism, you're a moron. Sorry, but you are.

It's one thing to decry his lack of experience or say he hasn't proven himself yet, but these insinuations that he's some Manchurian candidate secretly bent on turning America upside down the moment he gets into office are so absurd and batshit crazy, I can't believe I just typed three paragraphs in response to them.
Joey, racism is racism - I don't care what color you are. I don't understand how you can make excuses for Obama's obvious dislike of whites. Some quotes from his book, Dreams From My Father:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

These are real quotes from his book. I guess it's a matter of opinion as to what he really meant while writing it, but I was insulted when I read it myself. Sorry, but I don't like racism on ANY front.

Mortimer 10-10-2008 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by prudery
The tongue is an unruly member, but silence poisons the soul ...

Sweet nothings ...



Oh Yes...I would agree.














( :confused: )

prudery 10-10-2008 07:50 PM
[quote=Mortimer]Oh Yes...I would agree.






As I knew you would ...

Mortimer 10-10-2008 07:51 PM
Thank you.

I am SSSSo gone.

prudery 10-10-2008 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Thank you.

I am SSSSo gone.

Wait---hot off the presses-------faster faster pussycat kill kill----splat ...

Palin abuses power---it is official !!!! As if some did not know ...See AP release ...


I am gone too----for a celebratory bottle and a knish ...

Mortimer 10-10-2008 08:45 PM
Is the "K" silent in knish?

prudery 10-10-2008 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Is the "K" silent in knish?
Not where I come from ... NY ...

The other missive I will address after I finally get sustenance ...

Mortimer 10-10-2008 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by prudery
Not where I come from ... NY ...

The other missive I will address after I finally get sustenance ...


Oh.




I didn't ask about the other thing.

I think that's what missive means.

I hate poi;I hope you do,too.

dalakhani 10-10-2008 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Joey, racism is racism - I don't care what color you are. I don't understand how you can make excuses for Obama's obvious dislike of whites. Some quotes from his book, Dreams From My Father:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

These are real quotes from his book. I guess it's a matter of opinion as to what he really meant while writing it, but I was insulted when I read it myself. Sorry, but I don't like racism on ANY front.

First of all, did you honestly read the whole book or were these snippets? Again, you have to read everything in their full context.

Having said that, I didnt find what he was saying offensive or racist at all. Is it offensive if I say that my role models were white women because identify more with them? My husband has ethnicity on his mother's side, is it bad if he chooses role models from that ethnicity? It is only natural, especially in this country, to embrace that which makes us diffferent.

I think it is easier for a white person to sit and judge a man for being racist when that person has never been judged themselves for the same thing.

Mortimer 10-10-2008 09:22 PM
HUSBAND!!!!?










:mad:

dalakhani 10-10-2008 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortimer
HUSBAND!!!!?












:mad:
I told him about us mort. He knows that his days are limited!

geeker2 10-10-2008 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I told him about us mort. He knows that his days are limited!

You are still a virgin though... right?

Mortimer 10-10-2008 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I told him about us mort. He knows that his days are limited!
Oh my God.

Bad enough I'm sick...and now this.


We are like sssso through!

pgardn 10-10-2008 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Joey, racism is racism - I don't care what color you are. I don't understand how you can make excuses for Obama's obvious dislike of whites. Some quotes from his book, Dreams From My Father:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

These are real quotes from his book. I guess it's a matter of opinion as to what he really meant while writing it, but I was insulted when I read it myself. Sorry, but I don't like racism on ANY front.
This was typical of his early days just like any younger person.
He had no identity and he was trying to find one. Obama is one
guy who can clearly identify with many backgrounds. His life
has been extraordinarily diverse. He admits his meanderings
to try and find where he belongs.

And I am going to sound like a sap for saying this: I think
he understands the melting pot of America as well as, if not
more than any politician we have ever had run for president.
This is NOT a hateful man.
It is really not fair to make him seem like one.

This has long been a trick of the Democrats... Demonize
the opposition. Republican's now go for "the black man hates
you" jugular. Its repulsive.

geeker2 10-10-2008 09:51 PM
morte!

prudery 10-10-2008 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
This was typical of his early days just like any younger person.
He had no identity and he was trying to find one. Obama is one
guy who can clearly identify with many backgrounds. His life
has been extraordinarily diverse. He admits his meanderings
to try and find where he belongs.

And I am going to sound like a sap for saying this: I think
he understands the melting pot of America as well as, if not
more than any politician we have ever had run for president.
This is NOT a hateful man.
It is really not fair to make him seem like one.

This has long been a trick of the Democrats... Demonize
the opposition. Republican's now go for "the black man hates
you" jugular. Its repulsive.

I really feel that your interpretation is spot on as to how someone half and half would come to grips with persona ..

I have seen the exact passages posted elsewhere to confirm Obama's racist thoughts ...

Clipping but that segment out of many can be misconstrued , but to me, even as it was presented, I see a man struggling with himself and his images and soul ...

geeker2 10-10-2008 09:58 PM
MORTE !!

Mortimer 10-10-2008 10:37 PM
whate'??

GPK 10-10-2008 10:53 PM
Morty?? You ever had jungle fever?





As an aside...I love this Prudery woman (I think she's a woman??) because I believe Mortimer has met his match in her. Seems witty....and VERY unafraid.:wf

SCUDSBROTHER 10-10-2008 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
For anyone who is endorsing Obama. Do you have any questions or at least a little intrigued about his ties in the past? Whether it is Ayers or Wright or anyone else that is being dug up. What are you feelings on the issue?
Any questions about why all his college transcripts are closed?
John Edwards had an affair, and it seems that he has disappeared from the face of the Earth. But you have a guy who is weeks away from being President with some sort of link/ties to a terrorist and a racist minister. Does it intrigue you at least a little bit?
What intrigues me is a that a Vice Presidential Candidate repeated an obvious lie in a debate, and nobody seems to care. McCain said "the fundamentals of our economy are strong," and Palin (because she is a nutty female, people let her get away with it) keeps repeating the lie that McCain was talking about the American Workers(as being the fundamentals he was talking about.) It was a mistake he made. They crafted a lie to try to clean it up. We all know it's a lie, but this piece of white trash thinks people will put up with her telling a lie to a national audience. If she wasn't a female, I know Biden would of been all over her for doing that again, but oh no. Can't be too rough on the female. Just let her openly lie, and you're worried about somebody Obama worked with, or went to church with? How about somebody looking in the camera and repeating a known lie? Doesn't bother you as much. Doesn't surprise me, because Bush has been a consistent liar. Most of this year, he and Paulson were lying openly about the economy. Simply trying to make it through the election before this thing blew up.

ateamstupid 10-10-2008 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Joey, racism is racism - I don't care what color you are. I don't understand how you can make excuses for Obama's obvious dislike of whites. Some quotes from his book, Dreams From My Father:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

These are real quotes from his book. I guess it's a matter of opinion as to what he really meant while writing it, but I was insulted when I read it myself. Sorry, but I don't like racism on ANY front.
How dare he confess to struggling with racial identity growing up as a biracial boy without a father.

You're right, you poor, discriminated white people should all be outraged at his blatant racism. It's about time somebody stood up for the little guy! LULZ.

Coach Pants 10-10-2008 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
How dare he confess to struggling with racial identity growing up as a biracial boy without a father.

You're right, you poor, discriminated white people should all be outraged at his blatant racism. It's about time somebody stood up for the little guy! LULZ.
Yeah you're not racist.

ateamstupid 10-10-2008 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Yeah you're not racist.
Who am I racist against, again?

Mortimer 10-10-2008 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK
Morty?? You ever had jungle fever?





As an aside...I love this Prudery woman (I think she's a woman??) because I believe Mortimer has met his match in her. Seems witty....and VERY unafraid.:wf
No.


I don't.

Man.

Has not.

Ain't.

Sissy.

Coach Pants 10-10-2008 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Who am I racist against, again?
You are justifying his racism and mocking white people. It's 2008. He's not that old. He didn't experience the god damn civil rights movement AND he was in Hawaii to begin with.

Spare me the god damn sob story.

Mortimer 10-10-2008 11:41 PM
Thank you all for shedding some white on this.

Coach Pants 10-10-2008 11:43 PM
Let me also add that I'm fed up with all of these fuc|<tards holding onto some crutch just so they can have someone feel sorry for them. Stop being a god damn ***** and grow a fuc|<ing sack and realize we live in one of the greatest times in human history, EVEN with a worldwide economy near collapse.

Coach Pants 10-10-2008 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Thank you all for shedding some white on this.
Yeah the poor guy had it tough being a Harvard grad and all. Poor guy is about to be President. What a tough life.

By the way...can I borrow a microscope? I've lost my violin.

ateamstupid 10-10-2008 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
You are justifying his racism and mocking white people. It's 2008. He's not that old. He didn't experience the god damn civil rights movement AND he was in Hawaii to begin with.

Spare me the god damn sob story.
Sorry if I think it's a little funny when white people whine and act indignant about racism?


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