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freddymo 10-06-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
She is a female that can produce 1 offspring/year. She's not worth a fraction of what an undefeated Arc winning 3 yr old colt would be.

I am assuming, since the Aga Khan has a breeding operation and a lot of money, that she will stay home. If he just adds her to his broodmare string, what is she really worth. It's all about what her babies do and at one per year, the odds are greatly stacked against her.

Make no mistake about it, they can do whatever they want with her, but it would be nice to see her run again. I don't think any losses, at this point, will greatly reduce her value. She will always be the Arc winner....

I would suggest she will run next year although what do you want her to run against fillies? older horses? or just try and repeat her Arc performance in 09. It's a tough spot for the Aga khan she really can't do much more on the track and breeding her so young is hardly idea for the fans..

How about this brillance for from Simon Bray after Carriage Trail romped in the Spinster.."her broodmare value just went sky high"? Huh Simon when does Phipps/Janney sell Grade 1 winners? Her broodmare value is zero was zero and will always be zero unless they decide to disband the operation which isn't real likely..

Danzig 10-06-2008 08:46 AM

what i would like to see her do next year is to continue to take on the best competition in her races, regardless of who that may be or where it would take place.

as for comments on broodmare value, it just shows that some folks-whether on tv or elsewhere, don't really think about the particular individual before opening their mouth.

freddymo 10-06-2008 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
what i would like to see her do next year is to continue to take on the best competition in her races, regardless of who that may be or where it would take place.

as for comments on broodmare value, it just shows that some folks-whether on tv or elsewhere, don't really think about the particular individual before opening their mouth.

Look most likely the best in Europe will be 3 year old colts as the marketable good 3 year old colts will leave for stud. She cant race in the 3 year old colt races so she will be resigned to open female competition which will be a joke. What does she have to gain running 4 times against fillies and mares crushing them prepping for the Arc and hoping to beat the best new colt in the game? It's a tough spot and you kill your self if g-d forbid she takes a bad step and breaks down prepping for a race she has already run.. It's a tough spot I think I would breed her and give her a bunch of mints and smile alot knowing I owned one frickin fast filly. Of course as a fan I would love to watch her race but to use a often misused expression...She really has done enough!

Coach Pants 10-06-2008 09:01 AM

Chaka Khan can do what he wants with the horse. She's done enough.

CSC 10-06-2008 09:30 AM

Though I would dearly love to see her run in The Breeders Cup, I cannot fault her connections for stopping on her, considering the Aga Khan operation is european based. I don't see how she can top an Arc win by going to the BC as an afterthought, as much as we like to think our racing is where everyone wants to race, it simply isn't so. Bring her back as a 4 yr old and hopefully the BC will be in their plans next year is the best case scenario.

SniperSB23 10-06-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Though I would dearly love to see her run in The Breeders Cup, I cannot fault her connections for stopping on her, considering the Aga Khan operation is european based. I don't see how she can top an Arc win by going to the BC as an afterthought, as much as we like to think our racing is where everyone wants to race, it simply isn't so. Bring her back as a 4 yr old and hopefully the BC will be in their plans next year is the best case scenario.

Winning the BC Turf after winning the Arc wouldn't do much for her legacy. That's why if they are going to bring her over for the BC it should be to run her in the Classic. An Arc/Classic double for a 3yo filly would be an amazing accomplishment.

dalakhani 10-06-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Winning the BC Turf after winning the Arc wouldn't do much for her legacy. That's why if they are going to bring her over for the BC it should be to run her in the Classic. An Arc/Classic double for a 3yo filly would be an amazing accomplishment.

would you bet against her?

SniperSB23 10-06-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
would you bet against her?

On a synthetic she'd be tough to play against. Of course the Classic might be an impossible betting race anyways, she would just make it even more impossible.

ateamstupid 10-06-2008 10:09 AM

LOL @ all the sympathy and support for retirement. If this were an American three-year-old, everyone would be stomping their feet about how far the game has fallen and how horses aren't bred to race anymore. Kinda easy to ship her off to the shed when you'd never get to see her in person anyway.

LOL even harder @ sending her to the Classic, or any BC race for that matter. Who gives a crap about the BC anymore, much less the BC run over tires? It's a total crapshoot on synthetic, and frankly, she's too good for it.

Obviously, Khan can do whatever he wants with her, but in an era with so few truly special horses, it would be pretty lame to retire her after seven starts. If she were mine, and I didn't need the money, I think I'd feel like it was my duty to showcase her brilliance.

Why doesn't she have anything left to prove? There aren't other prestigous races that she could win? Has she really done it all? How do we know that there won't be any competition for her next year?

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:12 AM

Whether you agree, or like it, I believe in the past the Aga Khan has effectively said he breeds to breed and not to race.

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:14 AM

I will also add, why should Euros care about our races? Do we care, or support, their races? I can relate to them coming over for money but there is no way any European owner has some kind of " obligation " to run here.

SniperSB23 10-06-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
LOL even harder @ sending her to the Classic, or any BC race for that matter. Who gives a crap about the BC anymore, much less the BC run over tires? It's a total crapshoot on synthetic, and frankly, she's too good for it.

Regardless of the joke surface they are running the Classic on I still think an Arc/Classic double holds some weight in the world, and even moreso if a 3yo filly did it, a feat that may never be duplicated. And the fact that it is on the tires makes it more likely she could pull it off.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
LOL @ all the sympathy and support for retirement. If this were an American three-year-old, everyone would be stomping their feet about how far the game has fallen and how horses aren't bred to race anymore. Kinda easy to ship her off to the shed when you'd never get to see her in person anyway.

LOL even harder @ sending her to the Classic, or any BC race for that matter. Who gives a crap about the BC anymore, much less the BC run over tires? It's a total crapshoot on synthetic, and frankly, she's too good for it.

Obviously, Khan can do whatever he wants with her, but in an era with so few truly special horses, it would be pretty lame to retire her after seven starts. If she were mine, and I didn't need the money, I think I'd feel like it was my duty to showcase her brilliance.

Why doesn't she have anything left to prove? There aren't other prestigous races that she could win? Has she really done it all? How do we know that there won't be any competition for her next year?

How are you supposed to address this guy? Mr. Khan? Hey Aga? Mr. Aga Khan? AK?

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Winning the BC Turf after winning the Arc wouldn't do much for her legacy. That's why if they are going to bring her over for the BC it should be to run her in the Classic. An Arc/Classic double for a 3yo filly would be an amazing accomplishment.

You really don't get it. He doesn't care.....and why should he. The BC means absolutely nothing to him.

I say.....good for him.

ateamstupid 10-06-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
And the fact that it is on the tires makes it more likely she could pull it off.

I completely disagree with this.

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
How are you supposed to address this guy? Mr. Khan? Hey Aga? Mr. Aga Khan? AK?


The Aga Khan.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2008 10:17 AM

I would take a strong stand against her if by some miracle she were to run in the Classic. Dancing Brave revisited.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2008 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The Aga Khan.

THE Aga Khan like THE Ohio State ?

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I would take a strong stand against her if by some miracle she were to run in the Classic. Dancing Brave revisited.

You know she would lose 150 pounds and flip out in California?

Oh, I forgot, Six Perfections did.

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
THE Aga Khan like THE Ohio State ?


Think of it this way.....how would you refer to him if he called you to come run his operation?

Cannon Shell 10-06-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You know she would lose 150 pounds and flip out in California?

Oh, I forgot, Six Perfections did.

At short odds I would try

dalakhani 10-06-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The Aga Khan.

Thats what his wife and kids call him? Surely there is a nickname. Aggie perhaps?

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
At short odds I would try

The good news for you is that you won't get a chance.

Coach Pants 10-06-2008 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
How are you supposed to address this guy? Mr. Khan? Hey Aga? Mr. Aga Khan? AK?

Like this..


Chaka Khan, let me rock you
Let me rock you, Chaka Khan
Let me rock you, that's all I wanna do
Chaka Khan, let me rock you
Let me rock you, Chaka Khan
Let me rock you, 'cause I feel for you
Chaka Khan, won't you tell me what you wanna do
Do you feel for me the way I feel for you
Chaka Khan, let me tell you what I wanna do
I wanna love you, wanna hug you, wanna squeeze you too
Let me take you in my arms
Let me fill you with my charms, Chaka
Cuz you know that I'm the one to keep you warm, Chaka
I'll make it more than just a physical dream
I wanna rock you, Chaka baby, cuz you make me wanna scream
Let me rock you -- rock you

dalakhani 10-06-2008 10:25 AM

looked it up.

Prince Karīm al-Hussainī

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well said.

I agree with the sentiment that good for him not even considering the BC. But at the same time I personally will probably never understand the breeding to breed thing. You are breeding RACEhorses. She's awesome, she really is. But the she has nothing left to prove stuff is silly. It's bad enough the colts are retiring prematurely, but now fillies. He must need the money. :rolleyes:


He doesn't breed or race for money either.

Sometimes there are situations where our mindsets don't apply. This is one of them. Of course, being that we live in a culture of intolerance, I guess I'm not surprised that people don't understand that.

dalakhani 10-06-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He doesn't breed or race for money either.

Sometimes there are situations where our mindsets don't apply. This is one of them. Of course, being that we live in a culture of intolerance, I guess I'm not surprised that people don't understand that.

Well said. Ive read about him over the years. Interesting man. I think his family has been breeding for like 100 years.

His equine art collection has to be the best in the world.

Coach Pants 10-06-2008 10:30 AM

*douche chills*

King Glorious 10-06-2008 10:32 AM

I always thought it was His Royal Highness, The Aga Khan.

I agree that the Euro's owe us nothing as far as supporting our races. The Arc is on the short list of the world's greatest races and winning that is much more desireable than winning the BC Turf. Also, there has to be reasons why no Arc winner has ever come over and won the BC. The Arc is a race that you usually have to be trained to the max in order to win it and having your horse set for that THEN shipping across the ocean as an afterthought to try to win another tough race is very hard to do.

Now, I do agree with Sniper that IF he was going to send her over, the Classic might be the spot since winning the Turf wouldn't mean as much after winning the Arc. But the fact that he doesn't care too much about the BC is pretty clear.

SniperSB23 10-06-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I know, I was trying to be sh.itty. If this was Godolphin everyone except MMSC would be in an uproar. And I'm pretty confident in that.

I agree on that. Like when they retired sound 3yos Bernardini and Henny Hughes and everyone sh!t on them. While at the same time Coolmore retired sound 3yos George Washington and Aussie Rules and got a free pass. At least Bernardini and Henny Hughes were standing for much more money.

Coach Pants 10-06-2008 10:36 AM

Why would he send her for the Classic? That race is a joke this year. They're running it on what looks like a river of chocolate. WGAS.

dalakhani 10-06-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I always thought it was His Royal Highness, The Aga Khan.

I agree that the Euro's owe us nothing as far as supporting our races. The Arc is on the short list of the world's greatest races and winning that is much more desireable than winning the BC Turf. Also, there has to be reasons why no Arc winner has ever come over and won the BC. The Arc is a race that you usually have to be trained to the max in order to win it and having your horse set for that THEN shipping across the ocean as an afterthought to try to win another tough race is very hard to do.

Now, I do agree with Sniper that IF he was going to send her over, the Classic might be the spot since winning the Turf wouldn't mean as much after winning the Arc. But the fact that he doesn't care too much about the BC is pretty clear.

If you want to be technical, its His Highness The Aga Khan. Hence, HH Aga Khan.

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I know, I was trying to be sh.itty. If this was Godolphin everyone except MMSC would be in an uproar. And I'm pretty confident in that.


The Aga Khan does not have any relationship with American racing. The Sheik has one.....a serious one. These are two extremely different situations.

CSC 10-06-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Winning the BC Turf after winning the Arc wouldn't do much for her legacy. That's why if they are going to bring her over for the BC it should be to run her in the Classic. An Arc/Classic double for a 3yo filly would be an amazing accomplishment.

Yes it would be and I would agree if she was a 'he', but other than for being "sporting" or for the monetary reasons which The Aga Khan surely doesn't need, there really isn't a reason for them to send her to SA. The Arc is the race in Europe and everything after that race is an afterthought in their minds.

CSC 10-06-2008 10:59 AM

BTW The Aga Khan actually has many foundations geared for the disadvantaged around the world, I would say he is one of the good guys from that area of the world.

blackthroatedwind 10-06-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I understand that and you're right. But at the same time it's just another very good horse retiring early. I guess if we lived in Europe this arguement would see you on a different side.

I love watching great horses run. I'm sure we all do. Whether it be here, Europe, New Mexico or wherever. Losing another one after their 3 year old year and only 7 races sucks for everyone.


Europe doesn't have the same gluttonous approach to things that we do.


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