Long, long time....say what, like three or four months? What's a long time? Ghostzapper? Pleasantly Perfect?

This kind of superlative talk doesn't really help anybody. Good horse, sure, but come on, best in a long time? Unless long time is how good Like Now looked in that Gotham romp earlier this year, then your version of "long time" is a lot shorter than mine.

He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect. You don't throw up back to back beyers like that in effortless races. If his breeding wasn't so good I would question him, but you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.

Beyers again? They are for amateurs Ruler, strictly for novices. Sheets are universally accepted by owners trainers and agents. Beyers are mocked and laughed at.

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

This guy knows a guy who knows a guy who owns horses and in a few months he has mastered every avenue of horse knowledge and knows it all, it used to be funny, now its just sad.

Licking his wounds? WTF are you talking about?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/ghostzapper.pdf#search='ghostzapper%20past%20perfo rmances'

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

"I think it was more impressive than when he ran in the Preakness (gr. I)," Albertrani said Sunday. "It was basically a public workout. He came out of it great. He came back as if he didn't even run."

Like he didn't even run, and he threw up a 114. Unbelievable. GZ would need another 3 months off like he did between all his races. GZ was an unsound horse, this horse is anything but.

I mean, I was never a Ghostzapper fan, but I would say he's universally acknowledged in the horse racing world as one of the best dirt horses in the last 25 years. To put Bernardini not only on his level but ABOVE his level after two pretty good races....seriously, that would be comical if someone weren't really believeing that nonsense.

I give it to you, in a soundness competition, Bernardini wins....but, uh, is that what everyone is talking about?

He raced in 4 sprints the entire year, and lost one of them. 4 races in an entire 3 year old year. That is ridiculous. That is an unsound horse that is injured. Bernardini is looking at 8 races this year, most of them routes.

Fager, what we have here is a runaway freight train named the Bold Ruler. Actually a nice guy. Problem is that the guy got bitten by the horse racing bug a few months ago when Barbaro came to prominence because he has a friend who knows Barbaro's owners etc. Its great to see enthusiasm, awesome. But this guy has gone completely out of control. He truly believes that after a few months of following the game that he has the necessary and legitimate opinion of people who have been playing the game and in the game for years. His opinions are very black and white and his statemenst hysterical because he actually has no historicfal context on which to base them. Just try and appreciate his humor and enthusiam.

I wish I could dig up the old threads when Ghostzapper was finally retired last year. I believe even the most ardent Euro supporters (big_papa) named him as the greatest dirt horse since Spectacular Bid. Now, off two starts, Bernardini is better? You cannot be serious.

Like Doc Fager said....if we're talking soundness, sure, to this point in his career, Bernardini wins that competition, but really....the best in a long, long time? Are you ready to put Bernardini in whose category? Affirmed? Spectacular Bid? Cigar? Really, what do you mean by long, long time. That's an awfully bold use of superlative in describing what could be a two race wonder.

Most of what Oracles says is true, but Ghostzapper won 3 races his entire career over 1 mile. That is it. 3 races. One by a neck.

One by a neck....over last year's f'ing horse of the year!!!!

The neck was against St Liam, you have to be kidding me. YOu are such a half truth telling guy.

Heres a fitting joke for you.
Q- you are trapped in a room with a terrorist, a serial killer, and a lawyer. You have a gun with only two bullets, what do you do?



A- Shoot the lawyer twice!!!!

Great. It is still three wins in an entire career over 1 mile. How is that a great horse?

Bernardini was awesome, he has great action, and is definitely something special. One thing to keep in mind is that you have to take into consideration how the horse won the race, in this case it was loose on the lead on a track that played to speed, especially after the rain. He might be all that, but he's no lock vs older horses in the Breeders Cup. He's the best 3yo, but he still has to face older horses where he'll be looked in the eye the entire way and wont be able to just gallop our there. Flower Alley basically did the same thing last year, won by 5.5 w/ 112 beyer. GZ did have some soundness issues, but Frankel also gave him plenty of time to recover from those awesome efforts and his race in the Kings Bishop was just as impressive.

To hell with the GD breeding. Its what they do on the track.

You are comparing a 3 year old with horses that won multiple GI's against older horses. Thats just plain silly.

Let me list some numbers for you since I know you believe in Beyers:


106
116
120
128
114
124
123

128 IIRC....is the highest Beyer ever freaking recorded, dude!

Not for long. Secretariat's track record at 10F at Churchill is in serious jeopardy this fall. Expect a sub 2M and a stakes record in the Travers too.

Do you jump on every bandwagon that comes along? LOL

...and over Roses in May, who went on to win the Dubai World Cup. That 2004 BCC performance was one of the most impressive I've seen, and he beat one hell of a field (PP, Azeri...). His accomplishments are more impressive, imho, because he wasn't sound.

No one is suggesting that Bernardini is not a good horse, but to compare him to GZ already...? I think Bernardini is an excellent colt, and he should do well in the BCC...but let's wait and see how he does for a few more races before we start comparing him to GZ and Secretariat, okay?

That's it! You're cut off.

I hate the darley horses, but I have never seen a horse like this. The only horse I really believe in is this horse. I love Showing Up because I know him, but he couldn't hold this horses jock.

Oh no, we're not just comparing him to Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect....he's already better than both!

Cajun hes the BANDLEADER!! Complete with funny outfit and bubbles. He has no idea how insane he sounds, thats the great part.

This guys seems a lot like our friend kingofturfway at ESPN boards, guys. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

No let's not wait. Let's get all giddy like a school girl! HOY! HOY! HOY!
Greatest horse in 40+ years, and on and on and on.
Will someone please remove his battery pack?

Bdeep bdeep, thats all folks!!!

My bad. :rolleyes: I noticed the KoT similarities, too.

If you are going to compare GZ and Bern then just look at the three year old seasons. You cant compare GZ 4 year old season to Bern's 3 year old season. I think it is rediculous to even compare these two--but at least try and make it even.

Seriously though, I'm done arguing with someone who thinks Bernardini is the next coming of Secretariat. Definitely sounds like STrong Contender's backer heading into the Lexington or whatever race it was that he ran like a dog on the TC trail.

I agree. There is an amazing similarity in the type of posts made by those two.

You say the same thing about every horse that comes along. Please don't act like you know EVERYTHING... honestly, you're making yourself look ridiculous. Bernardini is a very nice colt to be sure, but you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Here that comes. Me, ArlJim, and DTS, are all that guy. For the record, I was a Sweetnorthernsaint guy. I just like the two Lael horse because I have had the opportunity to meet them.
http://finalturn.com/forum/index.php...1373#msg151373

The Kingofturfway was the guy we thought was making up rumors about the Lael horses.

Yet you both claimed that Lansdon wasn't who he said he was on that board and that I was actually posting as him.

All I know is that if a 3 yo does not win two of the three TC races (P given, Charismatic), it's virtually impossible for a 3 yo to win HoY. For Bernadini to get HoY, he MUST win the Travers and the BCC. No horse got HoY off a Preakness/Dandy/Travers sweep, notwithstanding 110+ Beyers.

Not easy to do, especially vs a full field of older horses in great form like he'll see in the BCC. And if Lava Man wins the Pacific, it probably won't matter anyway.

hmmmmm....we all like Bern but most of us need to see more...

I am sorry you guys are paranoid lunatics, but I personally didn't think the guy was who he said he was, but I imagine neither did 50% of the people at first.

The funny thing is if I was the guy you want me to be, I really doubt I would have sent a few people on this site my personal information. Or did I make that up too. LOL.