How does paying more taxes make you more patriotic? That is the question i want to know!

I also feel that Obama tax plan will most hurt the people trying to create new jobs for us. How will that help the economy?

Iggy or not GBBob and I are having a beer at BC..there are somethings more important than this election!!!!!

And if anyone else who wants to join our clause..you can get involved and buy us a beer at BC. You rich folk need to start looking out for those of us that want to appear less fortunate.

..and I don't drink that lite sh^t ! Premium Beer's only !!

We are in a huge deficit and need to reduce it. That means taking in more money and spending less. The best way to do that is by rolling back Bush's tax cut to the wealthy which has done nothing but hurt the economy. So paying more taxes helps reduce the deficit and in turn make the American dollar worth more. Isn't helping your country the patriotic thing to do?

Sometimes I wonder if people even understand the tax structure in this country. I can't believe how many times I've read someone say that now they will pay 50 to 60% of their income on taxes. It's a graduated tax system. On the first $250,000 they will get charged the exact same amount of taxes as people making $249,999. It is only the income over $249,999 that will get taxed at a higher rate and it isn't 50 or 60%.

you'll have Schlitz and like it...after the first 9 you'll never know the difference

I completely understand how the tax structure works. I got into an discussion with a lady I work with, who is close to 50 years old!! who said she didnt want to get a raise because she'd go to a higher tax bracket and actually end up with less $$.. I was like.. you realize you get taxed a certain $ of your first 7,500.. than a higher % for the next amount up to x amount of dollars, etc.

Its not like if you make 59k you are taxed 25% Of all.. then you make 60k and you get taxed 33% of all! I couldnt believe she didnt know that after how many years of doing her taxes?

as far as the bolded part... Democrats have always been great at spending less :rolleyes: (and I'm not including G-Dub in the Repub spot cause he spends just at bad as a dem- and pissed off a lot of Repubs doing it)

This is interesting....if it's accurate we spend more on military than the rest of the world combined, oy!

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Yeah, those people just kill me, amazing how many of them are out there too.

I can't see McCain as President being anymore fiscally responsible than Bush. I at least think there is a chance Obama will be.

I am not sure I can drink that elitist stuff :rolleyes:

Antitrust, McCain sure as hell was not referring to the American workers when he asserted that the fundamentals of the U.S. economy were strong. That was his so-so attempt to explain away his gaffe. Don't you hate it when pols fall back on the ole' "U.S. workers are the hardest working and most ingenius" crap when they're scrambling for cover

And, McCain's Spain gaffe ? Is he getting feeble minded?

Getting? For all the things McCain is (many of which are admirable), intelligent is not one of them.

neither candidates plan reduces the deficit. paying more taxes generally results in the govt spending more money they haven't got--sort of like most people.

from fact check:

Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush

extremely important to note though that the price of mooseburgers have held steady the past 8 years

i remember when people said a guy from arkansas couldn't be a good president...he was from arkinsaw for crying out loud. where sarah palin is from, and how big a population there is in alaska, has nothing to do with whether she'd make a good vp or not. or a good president for that matter, if it came to that.
youth, inexperience-now those might keep her from succeeding.

how did i twist his words? i quoted what he said and asked why is this guy considered to be so bright if he gets his religion wrong.

i'm no economic expert, but i don't think the statement that the fundamentals are strong is outrageous. we do have strong fundamentals. do we have a big issues facing us now, yes.
poor choice of words by McCain on black monday, certainly.

speaking of who would serve the American people better, McCain was a leader trying to get Fannie/Freddie reformed for some time. where was Obama? well he was so busy lining his pockets with lobbyist money from Fannie/Freddie, he didn't have time to get involved or to have an opinion. of course he counts the disgraced leaders of these institutions as close advisors, what a shocker.

on the bright side, I understand that any day BO might actually take a stand on the AIG bailout, so far his position is that he isn't second guessing the decision, but not supporting it either. thats like one of his famous "present" votes. first he has to learn that the name of the company is American International Group, and not American Insurance Group.

Well, I think it was gonna be a hell of a Presidency, and then alot of things happened that were beyond Bushs' control. Before you start foaming at the mouth, I'm not too happy with Republicans either. It seems since Bubba ran the country, everything,every idea, every thought has to be 'floated out there' to see if it flies. Republicans are doing the same thing, but don't have the inward courage they used to, back in the day. Everything is gray now, which I think is wrong, and potentially Dangerous to this society. Bush is a nice guy,I think. I'd love to visit the guy on his ranch with his wife, just kickin back. Pretty much every administration has its' Bert Lances or Travelgates and the like....pretty much none like Bubbas' though. His brilliant 10.6 bil surplus projection that the media scarfed up like the dogs they are was borne on the backs of the Intelligence and Defense Budgets that were decimated for the future. Why would Bubba care about those Depts?..he didn't pay attention to them when they were needed...so screw the future,huh? With what he let get away to the Chinese and others,who needs security?
Anyway, I remember hoping that Hildebeast would somehow not get the nomination, cuz she has too much baggage, and lo and behold Nobama the empty suit is posed(I mean poised) start his pilgrimage to 'rule the world' now,
but I don't think he'll get the office. Surely someone will notice that the Emperor has no clothes(and no original thoughts) So that's it for this edition..not as funny as Scavs adventures for the last few days, but reality nonetheless;)

You mean he's going to be PRESENT,right?:D

He was TIRED,dammit!

No one is twisting anything. You are just falling for spin. Here is another speech about "fundamentals" and you tell me if that is what he meant. And if he did indeed mean the "working people" then it would be the first usage of that phrase in that context EVER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVIA...eature=related

Stop walking the party line. Whether he meant it or not, it was a dumb thing to say.

Are you some kind of wingnut? We are in this spot largely because of deregulation of wall st and who was the king of that? Yes, JOHN MCCAIN.

You think a guy that would say this would be best to lead us during these economic times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1OB2iLxcY

Get the fucl< off his back..his economic policies are clear damn it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8



This is now more than the election of a President..it is a battle of Youtube videos..and I for one believe that this is a battle we can not afford to lose!

You certainly couldnt win a battle of policies or substance.

Dont you find it interesting that McCain is suddenly touted as the regulation king. Do you believe this?

dalakhani this is what I find interesting...

No one and I mean no wants to take responsibility for this mess on either side and to me this is the true crime in all of this...

If we actually had some leadership anywhere we would see it and know it..blaming each other isn't leadership...

Believe it or not George W is at this moment in time showing more leadership than anybody - and he ain't doing sh^t!

Shame on all of us for putting up with this crap - I say we have a resolution that throws them all out and we start from scratch...

Well said.

The sad part is either one of these guys is a one term prez...no matter how good they do.

:wf

I don't know, if Palin is experienced enough to be President now then imagine how experienced she'll be in four years when she runs for re-election.

It makes sense...you can afford the taxes so why not pay more? You'll still be ahead of everyone else...but you should help out those that aren't successful too.

If Geedubbya (and his "advisors") are good at 1 thing, it's figuring out how to get around these checks n' balances. The fact is that he got us into this war using false information. Of course, he does the sidestep by saying he didn't know it was bad. That may,or may not be true. Fact is he got around the checks n' balances by selling a lie very hard. How do you go to war against Iraq(when you need Congress to back it?)You tell a lie, or you find information that supports what you want to sell. I am amazed that people are so quick to give this guy a pass on this. What's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing? I got bad info. I didn't check it very well, but oh well. Got Congress to do what I wanted. The goal(invading Iraq) was accomplished. This is the way he got around these "checks n' balances." They didn't work. They got around them by selling a lie, and claiming ignorance. Nothing to keep another President from doing it again.

Ok, I will bite.

I think Biden would have been better off to word it by saying 'Wealthy Americans who really want to put their country first will understand and welcome a tax increase.'

McCain's message is that he wants to reform government by putting an end to the "me first, country second" culture in Washington.

The Republican party has transformed into big government borrow and spend - The Democratic party once might have been big government tax and spend - now they are just big government spend.... and are more worried about getting elected than fighting for tax increases to the people and corporations who can most easily afford it.

Any person who seriously puts "country first" and themselves second would demand that spending be cut in a big way and tax rev increased.


Me first, Country second says what?

Under OBAMA'S PLAN, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut. When the Middle Class gets their fair share, I will start worrying about the wealthy. They usually just pay the average guy less(to make up for this tax increase you worry so much about.) Please note the divide between the rich and the other classes is increasing(not decreasing.) They find a way to keep making more, and it's usually by shorting other people. Look at pro sports. They charge the average person more n' more to pay these wealthy people. Tax them more, and they will just keep making the average person pay more. This country is set up for the wealthy, and always will be. I wouldn't worry your pretty lil head so much about them. They still seem to find their way to the horse auctions to spend money. As far as Patriotic goes, they wanted Geedubbya. Let them pay more to support his fiasco in IRAQ. They wanted him in. He spent a bunch of money on Iraq, and bailing out the rich on wallstreet etc. That's their guy spending dat dough. They can pay more to pay for his s-h-i-t. They wanted de-regulation. Hands off big business. Now they bailing out big business. Wealthy people paying taxes that are going for war and to bail out other wealthy people. If you're worried about tax money going to people who need it most, don't worry so much. Republicans in congress will fight him all the way on anything having to do with helping the poor or middle class. Do you consider this bail out s-h-i-t to be patriotic? Geedubbya seems to. Where do you think that money comes from? It's either coming from the wealthy or they just print new money. Nobody else has it to give.

His plan sucks.

The vast majority of Americans don't need a tax cut.... and those making over 50K a year need an increase if anything.

Won't be able to do s-h-i-t anyways. He would be blocked all the way by Congress. Don't know why people care about this. Ain't like they do it. "PLANs" are usually fkn fairy tales. What he could do is not reduce taxes for the wealthy. That's about as far as he would get.

Watching C-Span now and they are talking about the economy. Thought I'd stay with it for a bit and see what is being done.

(I am paraphrasing these two speeches to illustrate what I heard)
Hillary just talked for 20 minutes plus pointing her finger squarely at the Repubs the whole speech. In the last 30 seconds ending with we Democrats are here to help, but offered nothing specific.

Jon Kyl spoke next for 20 minutes saying it wasn't us. We saw it coming, but the Dems blocked us and wouldn't let us fix it. He lost me late as he was blabbing on, but basically offered nothing just like Hillary.

I'll never get the last 40 minutes of my life back....

You are watching C span at 4 am? Just caught your eye while searching for Girls Gone Wild infomercials?

Well, here is who they are gunna bail out. Somebody wants to make money off of an ice cream man. He says he wants something nice to live in, but can't afford it at all. Wealthy company wants to make money off anybody with 2 balls or a slit. So, they let him have a 500k loan to buy a house. The company doesn't care that he puts barely anything down etc. They just want that baby bottle(all that interest each month.) Problem is the house is now worth 350k-400k. They don't like that. Instead of taking that hit, Bush is gunna take that loan off their hands. You're gunna pay for it. The same people that claim they want smaller gov't etc. are the ones getting bailed out on loans they made. See the hypocrisy? Same as the war. They claim they want smaller gov't, but want to piss away a ton of money in IRAQ. Atleast the Libertarians are honest about being selfish a-holes. They don't say they want smaller gov't when it's convenient . They really want smaller gov't. These wealthy companies been living the high life on the high interest they've been charging on bad loans. When the price of houses go down, they don't want to take the hit they should have to take. The taxpayer is gunna take that hit. So, don't complain about taxes being too high on the wealthy. They are getting repaid here plenty in this deal. What about the parties, the vacations, the expensive houses paid for off the high interest on the bad loans? All is forgiven for the rich n' powerful. It's o.k. for them to get rich, but when it's time to lose a lil money, they claim bankruptcy n' beg BUSH to bail them out.

you say that like it's a bad thing:)