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Mortimer 09-17-2008 10:52 PM

DrugS...I wasn't calling you out.

I hate that term.


I just wanted to even the score for all your condescending "I love you Mortimer'" posts.

GBBob 09-17-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
DrugS...I wasn't calling you out.

I hate that term.


I just wanted to even the score for all your condescending "I love you Mortimer'" posts.

I love Edit: the Indians

GBBob 09-17-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I love you

really.. EDIT: I do love the Indians

GBBob 09-17-2008 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
really..I do

omg :I really love the Indians the last 3 days

Mortimer 09-17-2008 11:23 PM

And they love you,Bob.

GBBob 09-17-2008 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
And they love you,Bob.

yey:)




:wf

The Indomitable DrugS 09-18-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
I just wanted to even the score for all your condescending "I love you Mortimer'" posts.

You don't know Moss - but I still love you Mortimer.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-19-2008 02:20 PM

To be honest, the racism I see is mainly adding to the cushions McCain would of already had in states like Arkansas, Missouri, West Virginia etc. There are plenty of Blacks that are gunna vote just because a Black guy is running for President. Isn't that racism? If they usually don't care about voting, but are voting this time because somebody of their preferred race is on the ballot? This type of racism is pretty much ignored, and I think it's gunna be the last to go. I see Black artists pop up out of the woodwork to do ads etc., and I'm like "Where were you in 2000 n' 2004?

geeker2 09-19-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
To be honest, the racism I see is mainly adding to the cushions McCain would of already had in states like Arkansas, Missouri, West Virginia etc. There are plenty of Blacks that are gunna vote just because a Black guy is running for President. Isn't that racism? If they usually don't care about voting, but are voting this time because somebody of their preferred race is on the ballot? This type of racism is pretty much ignored, and I think it's gunna be the last to go. I see Black artists pop up out of the woodwork to do ads etc., and I'm like "Where were you in 2000 n' 2004?


If they are showing re-runs of The Jeffersons on Nov 4th I am staying at home watching and not going out to vote!





I call "distraction" on myself :D

SCUDSBROTHER 09-19-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
If they are showing re-runs of The Jeffersons on Nov 4th I am staying at home watching and not going out to vote!





I call "distraction" on myself :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ASQKjbuCS8

start at 6:12 ...I don't think they play it this way on re-runs anymore. I guess it originally aired this way.

pgardn 09-19-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
To be honest, the racism I see is mainly adding to the cushions McCain would of already had in states like Arkansas, Missouri, West Virginia etc. There are plenty of Blacks that are gunna vote just because a Black guy is running for President. Isn't that racism? If they usually don't care about voting, but are voting this time because somebody of their preferred race is on the ballot? This type of racism is pretty much ignored, and I think it's gunna be the last to go. I see Black artists pop up out of the woodwork to do ads etc., and I'm like "Where were you in 2000 n' 2004?

The voters you discuss would say they never really had a choice before, now they do. Not necessarily because Obama is black, but because they have a candidate that clearly understands their concerns. They would say they never had that type of candidate before.

I actually agree with you. This is the arguement put forth by black voters.
I would counter that by asking: So there really was never a white candidate that understands your concerns because they are white? or what?

timmgirvan 09-19-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
The voters you discuss would say they never really had a choice before, now they do. Not necessarily because Obama is black, but because they have a candidate that clearly understands their concerns. They would say they never had that type of candidate before.

I actually agree with you. This is the arguement put forth by black voters.
I would counter that by asking: So there really was never a white candidate that understands your concerns because they are white? or what?

If your premise is true...then they been getting screwed by the Dems for 60 yrs.

dalakhani 09-20-2008 10:11 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-...lse-obama-race

I dont agree with what this article is saying but it is still a good read on the topic.

Mike 09-20-2008 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-...lse-obama-race

I dont agree with what this article is saying but it is still a good read on the topic.


Ya' know, if you continue to incite a race war with this liberal media propaganda, this thread might disappear too.


I just can't stomach the fact that Obama would be doing all those white women in the Lincoln bedroom

I think the real racism towards Obama isn't because he's black, but due to his Hawaian upbringing. I mean, aren't those Hawaiians just a bit too silly?

Mike 09-20-2008 10:49 AM

That's a joke my good American friends!

I'll get serious tonight for the next pulled thread

Why was that thread pulled? I'd like to know so that I know where to draw the line in the future. I guess it was the exchnage of crude insults by a few here, but perhaps it was the legendary internet phenom Charlie Ho who nixed the conversation

TheSpyder 09-20-2008 10:57 AM

This election just turned upside down with someone we know making a bid;

http://www.tsgnet.com/pres.php?id=35...altl=Gpyxpsuiz

Mike 09-20-2008 11:05 AM

Morty's going to need our financial support. I pledge 50% of my winnings on Stungbythestorm in the Super Derby today to Morty's campaign

Mortimer 09-20-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You don't know Moss - but I still love you Mortimer.

That's your problem...you know Moss.


As well as photos of a poor lady in shock sitting in her bombed out neighborhood and an Asian with a gaping pec wound he probably died from due to infection.....and only seeing a snatch.


But these are humorous to you.

So shove your love------sometimes the most retarded people are the ones calling everyone else retarded.






There's a difference between being frozen and being retarded.

Mortimer 09-21-2008 12:16 PM

The above is a rare mix of the two.









HA-HA!!

Mortimer 09-21-2008 12:43 PM

Sticks and stones may break my bones ,but emoticons will always fail to do so.














:p

Coach Pants 09-21-2008 12:45 PM

Racism. Hmm. Explain this, white apologists....


































Mortimer 09-21-2008 12:48 PM

Oh my God.




Highly amusing.

I'm glad a Yankee fan got what they deserved on this joyous day.

GPK 09-23-2008 09:37 AM

Interesting OP from NYT yesterday

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/op...server.html?em

brianwspencer 09-23-2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

It's a good read....but the only real reaction it elicited from me was "Duh."

The racial dog whistles have been going on all campaign long, all the way back to the Democratic primary.

AeWingnut 09-23-2008 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK


interesting? more like desperately trying to paint the GOP as racists. Anything New York Times has to say is usually un-American. They were against the US revolution and they haven't been on our side ever.

vote for the Obamessiah or you're racist. (I guess Lynn Swann is a racist now)

isssues? no we can't talk about those.

ateamstupid 09-23-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
interesting? more like desperately trying to paint the GOP as racists. Anything New York Times has to say is usually un-American. They were against the US revolution and they haven't been on our side ever.

vote for the Obamessiah or you're racist. (I guess Lynn Swann is a racist now)

isssues? no we can't talk about those.

LOL, yes, it definitely takes a lot to 'paint' the GOP as racist. There's clearly no fodder for that.

I also don't understand the 'un-American' thing. Not that I'd expect you to have an explanation.

brianwspencer 09-23-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
interesting? more like desperately trying to paint the GOP as racists. Anything New York Times has to say is usually un-American. They were against the US revolution and they haven't been on our side ever.

vote for the Obamessiah or you're racist. (I guess Lynn Swann is a racist now)

isssues? no we can't talk about those.

While, yes, we can all probably agree that nearly all of the country's hardened, hell-bent, racists are Republicans, this op-ed is hardly full of $hit like you want us to believe it is.

Nobody from the South calls a grown man with a degree from Harvard and a chance to be President "boy" on accident. And the fact that only someone who has no idea at all, whether from life experience or study, that this would not be done on accident completely explains your knee-jerk, pathetic defense of it.

While I admire your zeal and blind defense of anything Republican and white, the fact that you're totally ignorant of the problems from and consequences of using the word "uppity" and "boy" to talk about a black man isn't exactly my/our fault.

Coach Pants 09-23-2008 12:01 PM

What is it going to be...like a 5% racist vote at most? And this will cost Obama the election?

Look...

if the democrats can't hold 53% of the vote in this election then they can whine about racism until the end of time. The real reason why they lost is because they are incompetent and borderline retarded.

geeker2 09-23-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
What is it going to be...like a 5% racist vote at most? And this will cost Obama the election?

Look...

if the democrats can't hold 53% of the vote in this election then they can whine about racism until the end of time. The real reason why they lost is because they are incompetent and borderline retarded.


You have been watching The View haven't you :)

Coach Pants 09-23-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
You have been watching The View haven't you :)

No.

What more do the democrats need to win an election? Do they need Bush to invade Canada?

GPK 09-23-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
interesting? more like desperately trying to paint the GOP as racists. Anything New York Times has to say is usually un-American. They were against the US revolution and they haven't been on our side ever.

vote for the Obamessiah or you're racist. (I guess Lynn Swann is a racist now)

isssues? no we can't talk about those.


Yeah, interesting. I always enjoy reading Brent Staples and happen to find him one of the more intelligent gentleman in his industry. Do I always agree with everything he says? Obviously not. No doubt the NYT is a liberal and left leaning news source, but I love reading it. I'm never above reading a different point of view from mine. But IMO, he is spot on when he says this:

Mr. Obama seems to understand that he is always an utterance away from a statement — or a phrase — that could transform him in a campaign ad from the affable, rational and racially ambiguous candidate into the archetypical angry black man who scares off the white vote

He makes no mention of this, but I truly feel the opposite is in effect for McCain/Palin. I think the two of them must tread lightly in regards to the things they may say about Obama. Don't think for a second that the left wouldn't take anything either of them may say regarding race and run with it, Given the chance to paint either of them as racists, the media would light into them.

The sad thing is we are having this conversation in 2008.

The Bid 09-23-2008 12:22 PM

Odumba has already ruined his chance at the White House, even Oprah couldnt save his campaign

AeWingnut 09-23-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
LOL, yes, it definitely takes a lot to 'paint' the GOP as racist. There's clearly no fodder for that.

I also don't understand the 'un-American' thing. Not that I'd expect you to have an explanation.

The latest news is that the DNC racists are flocking away from the Obamesiah

un-American or anti-American in that they sound like Pravda and Al Jazeera

AeWingnut 09-23-2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
While, yes, we can all probably agree that nearly all of the country's hardened, hell-bent, racists are Republicans, this op-ed is hardly full of $hit like you want us to believe it is.

Nobody from the South calls a grown man with a degree from Harvard and a chance to be President "boy" on accident. And the fact that only someone who has no idea at all, whether from life experience or study, that this would not be done on accident completely explains your knee-jerk, pathetic defense of it.

While I admire your zeal and blind defense of anything Republican and white, the fact that you're totally ignorant of the problems from and consequences of using the word "uppity" and "boy" to talk about a black man isn't exactly my/our fault.


Didn't read the whole article so I guess it was knee jerk for me to see that it was the New York Times.

Just think that the story only gets printed because of what letter (R) they have next to their name.

I don't consider McCain a republican. I don't consider Bush one either. Well he reminds me a lot of big governent Nixon and little bit like Jimmy Carter. You know Jimmy Carter ran as a separatist so I guess that is a Georgia thing.

so if I vote for Bob Barr does that make me a racist?

SCUDSBROTHER 09-23-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Odumba has already ruined his chance at the White House, even Oprah couldnt save his campaign

This is an ignorant statement. Right now, Obama is holding leads in every state John K. won in 2004, and has flipped the states of IOWA, NEW MEXICO, AND COLORADO. Not saying it has to stay that way. New Hampshire could possibly flip to McCain, but that would result in a tie. When Obama is behind in 3 or 4 of the recent polls in Colorado, then come back to write your statement. Atleast it will be based on some fact, or even questionable evidence. You look stupid writing it now. It's based on hope, and hope is an immature emotion. That's why Jessie Jackson always pushed it. It's based on nothing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-546.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...209.html#polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-448.html

brianwspencer 09-23-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
Didn't read the whole article so I guess it was knee jerk for me to see that it was the New York Times.

Just think that the story only gets printed because of what letter (R) they have next to their name.
I don't consider McCain a republican. I don't consider Bush one either. Well he reminds me a lot of big governent Nixon and little bit like Jimmy Carter. You know Jimmy Carter ran as a separatist so I guess that is a Georgia thing.

so if I vote for Bob Barr does that make me a racist?

The story gets printed because some asshat called Obama "boy," not because someone was a Republican.

And that's a racist dog whistle....and since he may be our President, it kinda makes it a story....

dalakhani 09-23-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
No.

What more do the democrats need to win an election? Do they need Bush to invade Canada?

I agree. We are in a bad war with our economy teetering on the brink and we have a Republican president with the lowest approval ratings in history. On top of this, the Republicans are trotting out the most pathetic ticket in the history of modern elections.

And some how, some way...it is a virtual dead heat.

Amazing.


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