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hrfan

09-17-2008 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Help with what? if you can't get the system down, just play a caveman.

but i clearly need the system to be good....
i can make a b c x, but how do i use them ? please let me send you my pick 4 and you tell me how to actually send it in

hrfan

09-17-2008 12:36 AM

ok i get it, but i dont.... once i get my letters, how do i decided who to put with who....
i am done handicapping tomorrows early pick 4 and here is what i came up with.....

Race 2-
1x
2x
3a
4x
5a
6a
7x
Race 3-
1x
2x
3a
4a
5x
6x
7c
Race 4-
1x
2a
3c
4x
5x
6x
7x
8x
9b
Race 5-
1x
2x
3c
4x
5x
6b
7c
8x
9a
10x
11x

hrfan

09-17-2008 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Didn't I already do that?

i dont know im confused

GPK	09-17-2008 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm always down to talk races man. You know that. He's trying to get the whole Steve Crist A,B,C,X system down that he explains in Exotic Betting. maybe someone else can explain it better. And really, do you want to "learn" anything from me anyway?

I know bro..

Anyways...back to the race. She's Prime made a sneaky little middle move in her debut. She only finished 1.5 lengths behind Alkilina that day, who came back to win next out and then ran a pretty game 2nd to Goodday in her race after that.

I don't have any info in front of me, but did Miceli have any horses at Toga? You would think if he did, he would have taken her to run there. She must have came out of her debut ok, as she worked 13 days after and some decent interim works leading into this race. Whats your take on all that?

hrfan

09-17-2008 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Basically you want me to do it for you. I might be bored, but not that bored. Look, I tried to explain it and the book does a very good job of going slow and explaining it. Just read the part where he explains how to put the plays together. Start with 4A's, then 3A's and a B and so on and so on. You have to decide how much you want to invest, which means you can't always play every combination like a caveman allows. That's about all I have the energy to do.

why do you say 4 a's ?

i have 7 total a's !!!

GPK	09-17-2008 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

why do you say 4 a's ?

i have 7 total a's !!!

Hossy...you must have the patience of Job:zz:

hrfan

09-17-2008 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Hossy...you must have the patience of Job:zz:

dude your on here now talking and ****, can you chime in here please

GPK	09-17-2008 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

dude your on here now talking and ****, can you chime in here please

You don't want my help with ticket structure. I suck ass at it.

hrfan

09-17-2008 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

You don't want my help with ticket structure. I suck ass at it.

well i clearly do

hrfan

09-17-2008 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on man. By 4A's I mean you put a ticket together of your A's from each race. Then you put a ticket together of A's from 3 races and a B from 1 race. And so on and so on.

There is no way you read the book or my pm. Read the book for real this time and play caveman tickets until you get it down. I can't spend anymore time on this, I'm going to go crazy.

OK THERE IT IS, HOW DO I DECIDED WHAT RACE TO TAKE THE A OUT OF ?

GPK	09-17-2008 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

OK THERE IT IS, HOW DO I DECIDED WHAT RACE TO TAKE THE A OUT OF ?

you alternate

hrfan

09-17-2008 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Read the book and my pm. It's all right there. get a piece of paper and write it all out like I said. make a column going down for the races and a column going across for the A,B and C. Plug in your picks and then follow what he says. Start out with 4A's. Then go with 3A's and a B. So take your A's from the first 3 races and then your B from the last. If you don't have a B in the last, use an A from the last and a B somewhere else.

Seriously, play a caveman until you understand it better. There is no magic way of doing things, but I think his is the best way for the type of wagering I do. it might be different for you. Play how you are most comfortable.

alright !! is this system the best/ONLY way to go, clearly caveman does not work well, but is there anything else i can try ?

GPK	09-17-2008 01:10 AM

hrfan

09-17-2008 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know man. There are plenty of people here that make a living doing this stuff and they have their own system. there isn't one set system and no guarantees no matter how much work you put in. Caveman can work. I'm sure there are plenty of people here playing caveman tickets that do quite well. Crist's system works best for ME, which is why I play that way most of the time. Just figure out what works best for you and roll with it.

i am having a hard time figuring things out, i am sick of playing pick 3/4 hitting 2/3 and 3/4 and feeling like im handicapping great but never cashing, every saturday i seem to be down at the end of the day

GPK	09-17-2008 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

On that note, it's time for bed. But, I just read that Megan Fox had a "fling" with a female stripper when she was 18. My computer just melted that's so hot.

Oh my God:{>: :{>:

Drugs must be cuddleling with a sock as we speak.

Night:tro:

hrfan

09-17-2008 01:13 AM

dont go to bed yet

hrfan

09-17-2008 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know what to tell you man. no system is going to print you out winning tickets. maybe scale back on the bets a little.

alright man , thank you, get some sleep

hrfan

09-17-2008 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

now you're getting creepy.

lol i really did just laugh

hrfan

09-17-2008 02:36 AM

i think i got it

a/aa/a/aa- 3/3,4/2/6,9- $4= $16
a/aa/bc/aa- 3/3,4/3,9/6,9- $1=$8
a/aa/abc/aabc- 3/3,4/2,3,9/3,6,7,9- $1=$24
cc/aa/a/aa- 5,6/3,4/2/6,9- $1=$8
cc/aa/ab/bc- 5,6/3,4/2,9/3,7- $1=$16

I THINK, BUT I AM NOT SURE, DONT EVEN KNOW IF I WILL PLAY IT THIS WAY
do i have the idea ?

blackthroatedwind

09-17-2008 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Anyone think She's Prime is worth a play tomorrow coming out of the Doremifasollatido maiden race? Especially with her winning the Matron on Sat.

ML of 5-1 and Sarah Accomplished is sure to take a bundle of $$

Would love to hear some thoughts.

I like her as well. One thing that bothers me is that she was scratched recently however I thought she ran in spots in her debut and was also bet that day for low profile connections in a live looking field.

On another note....once you put PG on ignore it is much easier to read threads like this.

GPK	09-17-2008 11:59 AM

Early DD

5,10,11/5

GPK	09-17-2008 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Early DD

5,10,11/5

F me:mad:

docicu3

09-17-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

F me:mad:

Nice call on the 5 though.......surprised the hell out of me. I guess the 5 in the second has a few admirers first tick

GPK	09-17-2008 12:10 PM

WOW...She's Prime opens up at 6/5:eek:

Mike	09-17-2008 12:11 PM

Dahoss! Since you're the man teaching Wagering Strategies 202, I have a semi-serious question for you(or another experienced player).

Today's 8th race at Belmont, I like two horses, neither of whom Steve Byk mentioned on his picks for that race: Offhand Remark and LuckOffhand Remark is 5-1 ml odds and a frontrunner who has demonstrated some initial success on grass. Luck is 20-1 ml odds, yet has beaten Offhand Remark on wet dirt. I wonder if Luck is a mudder, or whether he's come around and will close well on turf today.

What do people think of how to wager the race if you liked these two horses?

And, what do you think of the chances of either horse?

docicu3

09-17-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

WOW...She's Prime opens up at 6/5:eek:

I looked at the real time pools and it was only 2 grand that probably a connection laid down. It will come up....

GPK	09-17-2008 12:34 PM

2yo fillies can be some tempermental bitches

GPK	09-17-2008 12:35 PM

:wf

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