Drum Major second off the layoof for Weaver interests me a bit. Travers Day race was ok but feel horse has enough back class to be in the mix

Shakis is training very, very well and could pull this one out with Jersey Joe Bravo on Board. However he has not shown up on occasion for no clear reason and if the turf is soft, he tends not to like that. I do think Big Brown will be beaten here and am looking forward to handicapping this more carefully as it will be a great betting race.
No knock on BB but he has not shown the aggressiveness and turn of foot in the stretch he did up to the Preakness. He can be very rank and Monmouth's turf course has very tight turns. Plus he is going against older horses for the first time. There are just too many issues to confront here. I continue to be very puzzled with their choice of this spot as a BC Classic prep for him. He has got his hooves full and then some.

Turfway has a Polytrack surface tuned for its winter meet so that it will not freeze. Santa Anita has a new Pro-Ride track about which we know nothing yet. How can you say they are similar? Are you medium who can foretell the future?

i think he's more medium rare...:D

ML...Brown 2/1, Shakis 7/2, Proudinsky 4/1, Silver Tree 6/1

Big Brown keyed on top of a trifecta should pay very nicely.

:rolleyes:

Breaking News........Based on Yahoo searches today, for some strange reason, Ike is now considered the more popular of the longtime candy duo Mike and Ike.

Based on the sentiments of this Board (all the Big Brown naysayers), that is shocking. Why is Big Brown even the favorite, let alone a possible 1-2?

People are dumb.

Big Brown will be the favorite because not everyone can be as smart as the people on this board. The casual public will always bet down the famous horse.

I appreciate the part about the morning line. I'm curious. It sounds like you think he probably won't win. So do many others tomorrow. If he wins tomorrow and the BCC, does he deserve a higher level of respect fom the horseracing world in terms of how good he is?

Only if he wins the BCC.

let's get him thru tomorrow first.

as to the bc, not just if he wins, but the manner in which he wins, and who he beats.

If he wins. It is not a sure thing at all. And I would be very surprised if he wins. No offense to the horse or anything. Just too much to overcome for a horse that has not been at his best since May.

Monmouth
 

Proudinsky 4-1 ML
Win and Place

He's not that likely to run.

Why?

I have no idea why.

Drum Major is my most likely bet, too.

--Dunbar

Pseudo hunch superfecta:

Hotstufanthensome, Kiss the Kid, Fagedaboutit Sal, Get Serious


Seriously, my only likely certainty at this point is having Drum Major on the board.

Never mind.


Monmouth shows Drum Major and Ballonenostrikes as scratches.

http://www.monmouthpark.com/scratch.aspx

If you don;t like BB and have a strong opinion, it's Christmas! Look at these odds.

Spyder

No OTB action in California
 

Put it in the bank that Kiss the Kid and Proudinsky will hit the board.

Just discovered the OTB out here can't take Monmouth action.

$$ not bet usually wins, my mother used to tout.

Looks like similar show action on Proudinsky as Big Brown at the moment.

Interesting.

Nice win by Big Brown.

Hats off.

Very impressive.

I didnt bet this race straight although i did a couple of googy exotics. All I can say is wow. What a nice race by the three year old champion.

Loose reined in the lane. Wow.

very good ride by Kent

Nice turf win over some quality turf houses.

No way I could bet on him in my exotics bets (justified by the low payoffs below):

$2 exacta paid $11.40
$2 trifecta paid $30.40
$1 super paid $44.60

Will this turf form transfer to Santa Anita's synthetic track -- would you pick Big Brown over Curlin or Go Between or Colonel John or Henrythenavigator?

He would've beat the board darling today.

Christ...Go Between is included in a discussion for the Classic. Makes me want to throw up.

Come on now you were impressed, you just don't want to admit you were wrong . Period.

Look I'm not going to get into one of these typical discussions where I get to the point that I want to toss a midget into a giant pot of burgoo. If you can't figure out who the board darling is than tough titties.