Yes, as Chuck said. However, the deal is worked out in advance -- sell, RNA, how high, etc., and both Keeneland and the consignor cut a deal. I am sure it's far off the usual percentage. There would have to be some deal in place if a sale takes place afterward.

Eric

Sorry for sounding a Dunce but your Auctions are different than ours RNA ?:confused:

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Thanx mate:D 7.7mill reserve? wow isn't that seller full of SH#T

Obviously, I was not there, but I did see one or two go very cheap. Not sure if they were bought but a couple were sub- $100k, including a Pulpit filly from a nice family. Of course, not have seen them or their records, I'm basing this just on the page.

Being not that familiar with auctions, I have a question. How does a horse that can draw no better than a $40k bid get into Book 1? It is something that came up after the examination process, the market rejecting the pedigree, the lack of expected success by a sire who has his first crop hitting the tracks this year ie. Smarty Jones?
Honestly, if I were selling, and my horse was "only" worth $50-60k, I'd rather have him in a later place in the sale so the "appropriate" buyers would be looking at him and bidding. Tossing him into book 1 makes him look bad by comparison.

The truth is that Book 1 is hard for Keeneland to fill. Many of the owners and consignors would rather sell a $250k horse in book 2 or 3 where there are simply more buyers and less competition. If you take a average $250k horse and match them up against a $2 million dollar horse it is easy to see how they get overshadowed. What happens is that consignors sometimes push 'sacrificial' horses into Book 1, a horse with a good enough pedigree but a physical issue that is going to be a hard sell regardless of where they are booked. In doing so they help keeneland and get move favorable positioning for other lots. I saw a filly by one of the hottest sires in the world today that is just awful. The consignor told me that the owner wanted to be in book 1 and requested it. He advised against but went along simply to get brownie points. She brought less than $50k. As a racehorse I wouldnt take her for free.

Thanks Chuck. I know enough about conformation to know the good ones from the bad ones, but not most of the fine points in between. Some of them must have a leg on backward.

Whats your main point at auctions chuck? For me it's the front legs i can get away with most conformation faults ( lets face it i look at a horse nowadays with no conformation faults & i think slow horse;) ) but i like the front legs to be straight & a good eye:D

With different types of horses there are different things that I can and cant live with. For example with really heavy horse you need a bit more correct front legs and never back at the knee. With a lanky, lighter horse, often fillies, there is a lot more I can live with if they are athletic enough. certainly I dont mind longer pasterns in horses with turf pedigrees but dont want muc pastern in sprinters or strictly dirt horses. The way a horse moves behind is probably more important in ability. I have had some horses that were awful movers in the front legs but made up for it with superior power behind. All that and one i can afford

How do horses like Skip Away go so cheap. I know he had issues

it just seems like you read about how this Kentucky Derby winner could have been yours for $20 to $100k

and horses that go for $16 mil can't win an allowance race

I often see a horse sells for millions and don't bet 'em in their maiden debut figure they are not in a hurry to win.

Skip Away was a 2 year old in training and he had a chip in his ankle. He wasnt the best made or bred horse either. I dont mind him as a sire but you have to wait till they are at least three and they prefer turf.

I believe he was was every inexpensive as well. Aside from what anyone thought of his confirmation, pedigree, and performance -- I am not so sure that he was given every opportunity as stallion from the get-go either. That could have laid the groundwork and dictated the future so to speak.

Eric

PS -- got it. I read the previous posts again.

I watched a good portion of the sale today. One would think with all of Keenelands' money they could afford some guys that know the difference between half, three-quarter, and full siblings.

How'd the Distorted Humor - Lakeway look?

475k seems a bit lite.

http://finalturngallery.com/g2/main....8+_2_.jpg.html

Here's Azeri's colt at the beginning of this year. I'm sure he looks all glistening and such now but for them that have good eyes for conformation, how does he look? I know sometimes horses will just blossom, esp. with 9 months passing, so how does he compare in terms of quality from then to now?

I'd say he has filled out some since that picture was taken...Wow :eek:
Good looking animal :)

I'd say he has filled out some since that picture was taken...Wow :eek:
Good looking animal :)

$22k as a yearling... interesting story was the owner bought him because he wanted a grey horse that he could differentiate from the chestnuts/bays on track.

I think Tiznow has acheived what Skip Away could have as a sire, going from unproven rookie to superstar the way you laid out.

I saw one of them [Be Smart] run at Saratoga and fetched a $100 to win. Apparently no one saw him in the DRF or the program guide that day but me.

Hey.....I wonder if Servis will train any of the future crop?

I saw one go through the sale but it looked light on & very narrow in the chest but could just be a throw back to the mare i have a few from the same sire & they are different as Yin & Yang

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

You are pretty hardcore

While there is definately luck involved if you don't know anything about conformation there are yearlings that will never make the track so imagine spending your lifes money on a yearling that dosnt even make it to a two year old:confused: ,Thats why you need to know with conformation what you can get away with & what you can't:tro:

You sound like a Odds Man wouldnt you want the Odds more in your favour,?Dosn't mean you win just gives you a better Chance

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46988.htm

Big Brown's half-sister by Touch Gold didn't sell. Again I don't claim to be a conformation expert but I wouldn't argue with their idea that she's not gonna be ready for much as a 2yo. I'd be afraid of her legs giving out--is that me just not being able to appreciate the lines of a filly or are her forelegs just not impressive in terms of bone?

is it happy hour?

pictures are pretty worthless in terms of evaluating conformation because of the angles. If anything she was weak in her hind end. I suppose that I would be a bit concerned if I was IEAH that BB's sister couldnt even draw much live money. Name another stallion who will be in his stud fee range whose sister wouldnt bring $500k regardless of what they looked like. I know Touch Gold isnt exactly a top sire but she wasnt that bad of a horse. Of course without BB in the pedigree she would be selling next weekend.

Agreed 1000%. I was thinking the same thing. Not only angles, but much more as well I would say. I watch every session on the internet, I've been sent pictures of horses, etc. and it's virtually worthless. Unless it's so obvious, but to get into the real details? No way.

Eric

I looked at a horse today and from every angle she looked great, except one. if you stood directly behind her and watched her front feet hit the ground as she walked away you could tell she was correctively shod, hiding a conformation issue, which in her case was turning in from the fetlocks.

You don't like Touch Gold? I think he's one of the most underrated sires out there. Short, long, dirt, grass, synthetic- seems like his runners are good and versatile, just hasn't had the home run horse (yet).

congrats to my good friends @ Trackside Farm for today's big filly!

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/47020.htm

He may be versatile but he is not considered a book one sire. He may do more damage as a broodmare sire being by Deputy Minister who is a great bm sire

"Talking about why she traveled from Europe to purchase yearlings in America, Sanderson said, “I think the way breeding is now and the way the gene pool is going it is more sensible to come out of Europe. I think outcrosses are very important and I think it is important for the genetic pool that we go forward"

Another Euro that loves our supposedly "drug weakened" gene pool

Unfortunately chuck over here everyone scrambled for Danehill & Stormcat that it is now almost imposssible to have those two sire lines out of your horses so Keeneland has a great variety of sire lines will find the article on it:o

Found it !!!
 

US Market Offer's Diversity Submited On:9/1/2008Posted On:9/1/2008 Author:Tara Madgwick

There is no escaping a certain sameness to Australian yearling sale catalogues, there’s Redoute’s Choice, there’s Encosta de Lago, there is this son of Danehill and that son of Danehill, but what about those investors looking for something else?

The Keeneland September Yearling Sale kicks off on September 8 with the first of 5,555 lots and you know what, not one of them are by Redoute’s Choice or Encosta de Lago!

While it’s great to have two such dominant stallions standing in Australia, it does make it hard to get away from them and with so many breeders now finding themselves going around in circles to an extent, a trip to Kentucky can open the eyes to other sires and other female families that may enhance what we have here at home.

While the European scene is very much dominated by Northern Dancer and his sire sons Danzig and Sadler’s Wells as we see here in Australia, the pattern in North America is very different.

In North America there were 33 stallions standing at a fee of $US50,000 or more in 2008 as compared to Australia where there are just 17.

Of those 17 Australian based sires that stand for $50,000 and upwards, seven of them are Danehill line horses and of the 33 elite sires in North America, none of them are Danehill line horses – so there is your reason to go to Keeneland and at least have a look to see what’s on offer.

Imported female families are hot commercial property in Australia, just take a look at sales conducted in the past month.

Top price of $1,050,000 at the Inglis August Thoroughbred Sale in Victoria was Group Three placed mare Danevade, a Danehill mare from an imported daughter of Machiavellian in Subterfuge (GB), a half-sister to two European stakes-winners.

Top price of $1.3 million at the Magic Millions Thoroughbred Sale on the Gold Coast was To Be Surprised, a Redoute’s Choice mare from Patrona (USA), a half-sister to three US stakes-winners by Lomond.
Both Subterfuge and Patrona are examples of what Australian breeders need to find overseas, well-bred fillies with outcross pedigrees to make the most of what we have here at home.

Patrona produced dual Group One winner and hot young sire Exceed and Excel from a mating to Danehill, while Subterfuge is the dam of HK Group One winner Scintillation and multiple Group Two winner Shania Dane from coverings to the same sire.

I know but I was just posting it for the " the rest of the world laughs at our 'drug induced' horses" crowd.

I appreciate it.

Adena Springs sires has an impressive list of Stallians, I agree for 20K live foal fee Touch Gold would almost seem like a bargain. Awesome Again the other Deputy Minister was probably the better Stronach horse when at a time heading into that crazy Breeders Cup Touch Gold seemingly was always considered the better horse.? I have a feeling Ghostzapper will be the sire that gives his dad a run for his money, another Adena Sire to keep eye on could be North Light, by Danehill. 1st time Turf pedigree.

No Chuck that is an excuse.. They like playing 60 cents on a dollar

Surely Smarty wasn't;)
Big Brown "well i could believe that:$: "

Been funny watching the Distorted Humours go through his fee over here was 7k

When was his fee that low?