I thought Andrew did.


But you could be right.

Actually..I think we have found Cratos.....again.

I think the perpetually bizarre all be moved to the San Antonio Bat Cave.

Having landed in this thread....Venusians signal back to the mother ship....there is no life on Earth.


Frogs...yes.

Humans...no.

1. Because his voting record and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo.

And he said exactly what he felt. He did not attempt
to persuade or dissuade. He was asked numerous times on the record
after making some very intolerant statements if he wished to retract.
He wanted no retractions.

He was a senator for a very long time and the record is there for
anyone to see. I agree that racist is very over used. I have not used it.
I would say he shows a great deal of intolerance towards segments of
this Nation in a way exactly opposite of what I believe this country's
central tenets are.

And I dont think the conservative philosophy automatically implies racism
just like I dont think a liberal philosophy implies a mindless tendency to
spend money to relieve some false sense of guilt.

Dr. Whitherfork..I mean spoon...ought to have a look at this.

I have reread Phil's last statement.





I feel he has conflict buzzing around in his noodle.

It's deep...rooted in Ethel's :p propensity to keep straightening out wrinkled rugs.

I think he has a problem churning out in words what his mind wants him to say.


Is he a sissy?


Perhaps.


Does he watch too much tv sports?


Does a bee gather pollen?

The thread lacks words of whizzdom from BentMahPud.



It can never truly be a 5 starer until he projectile vomits here.

2hot4FayeBotoxAway could be an acceptable stand in.

become an expert:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1871

OH MY GOD!!



NEGROES ....working BESIDE ME!!!?









THUD!

Do you know any more about him than I do? I've read plenty of the articles about him. I'm not an expert on him.

That article is one man's opinion. Does that particular publication have more credibility than newspapers like the Washington Post? If someone wanted a fair and unbiased opinion about Helms, would they be better of getting it from that publication or from a paper like the Washington Post?

By the way, I hardly agree with Helms on every topic and I hardly agree with many of the things that he said over the years. But overall, I wouldn't bash the guy or his career.

Popkins...you're sounding like Phil,now.




You either know what you're talking about or you're GenuineCrazyLady.....I mean or you don't.

It is not uncommon for politicians to play on people's fears to get elected or to stay in office.

Are you consistent with your criticisms of campaigns playing on people's fears? For example, if a Republican does an anti-affirmative action commercial to tell people that minorities are taking their jobs, is that any worse than a liberal candidate telling women that they may lose their right to chose(abortion) if the Republican candidate wins?

These types of campaigns are dirty, but they are common in politics. Both parties are guilty of playing on people's fears.

Most of the people on this board are hardly experts on the things they post about it. They usually have some knowledge about the subject. Maybe they've read a few articles on the subject.

If you want to beging a new standard here where people can only have an opinion if they are an absolute expert, I don't think there would be any more posts.

Be specific. Which votes did he make which indicate intolerance towards democracy? Is his voting record much different from other conservatives? If not, do you consider most conservatives intolerant toward democracy?

david broder in the washington post:

http://www.racematters.org/jessehelmswhiteracist.htm

it's an editorial but contains factual information. unless you're disputing the facts, it's a bit disingenuous to dismiss it as "one man's opinion".

his opinion was based on the facts presented. was there something wrong with those facts?

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

I'm not saying that all the information in those articles is false. I am saying that it is one-sided and biased.

If you were watching a trial, could you come to a fair verdict if you only listened to the prosecution case and not the defense? No, of course not. That is not necessarily because the prosecution's case contains lies. It is because the prosecution's case may have many half-truths and the prosecution is going to only try to present evidence that will help their case.

Oh.

So you've been reading Stevie Hasbeen?






The primary thing here being-----whether there is expert commentary or not---there will always be copious back and forth on yer whatnot regardless of what yer whatnot is.

I love it when it reaches the name calling stage...and questioning an opponents family tree.Before you know it;the whole thing becomes a series of uninspiring death threats and failed to do so.....bett-ing.


But the whole mess can quickly come apart if GenuineCrazyLady voices her outrageous opinions.....and directs little catty barbs Dannies way.

and many of them were repentant of those views later in life.

george wallace quietly visited black churches asking forgiveness for the harm he had done earlier in his life.

while that was going on, jesse helms sang dixie to the first african american woman elected to the senate promising he'd keep it up "until she cried".

i think i have his entire life in perspective when i say the world is better off without him and those that share his views.

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

NEGROES!!!!











Working BESIDE.....ME!!!!?

My fine Negro American friends....please.

I am only parodying the mindless JohnnyRebs of the world.









Do not harm me in any way.

When I talked about backward views, I was referring to the racist attitudes of the 1950s. That is all I was referring to. And I'm only referring to true racism. We all have different views of what true racism is. To me, true racism is when a person basically dislikes all the members of a certain race. I'm sure others have a far broader view.

you're better than this nonsense.

i'm not going to come on here and defend the iranian president or osama bin ladin because they are steadfast in their beliefs. and neither are you.

we're both going to look at their beliefs and judge them on our own moral scale.

jesse helms was an unrepentant racist. he had a 18th century mind.

i'm okay with that point of view disappearing from our political landscape. and advocating tolerance for intolerance is asinine. i hope you respect my strong opinion on that.

I never mentioned a voting record.

He could have voted on the same side as Ted Kennedy on
a number of bills. This does not tell me as much about the
man as his own statements and actions.

His record is long and there for anyone to see and judge.
I judge him to be intolerant and unpatriotic based on what
this country is supposed to be. This is my opinion, my judgement.
I have my own ideas about this country's central tenets, it may not be exactly like others.

For one little example if you wish, because there are many:
Look up his role in the funding of the Contra rebels and
then look up his views on aide to foreign countries and his
views on the United State's role in dealing with foreign aide.

A huge contradiction, no pun intended.

This has nothing to do with his archaic civil rights views
for which he has made his true fame.

Morton this is a sort of smart thread.
Look something up for God's sake!

Participate, remember clowns are born evil.
-John Wayne Gacy

I respect any opinion you may have...its your right as a human being

Perhaps you should take off those Phil colored glasses and check again as to how smart this thread really is.

































GOD AH LOVE ME!!!!!!!!!!

You mentioned his voting record. Here is your quote: "1. Because his 'voting record' and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo."

I'm not sure I understand your point about the Iran/Contra deal. It sounds like you're saying that Helms was generally not big on foreign aid, but he was in favor of funding the Contras. What is wrong with that? It's good if a politician is open-minded and judges each situation on it's own merits as opposed to "always being against foreign aid" no matter what.

In terms of his actions, he had African-Americans in top positions on his staff. Actions speak louder than words. If he was such a racist, why would he have people of color in top positions on his staff?

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..there Are Strange Creatures Swinging From You Personal Family Tree!

Oops my bad.

The Contra's were not supposed to be funded by law.
So not only does he not believe in funding, he goes against
the law.

OK guys...touch gloves and continue beating each other with stupid putty.





I'm due in make up in 2 minutes.

thats what happens when part of that trees roots are from WVa:o