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GPK 06-24-2008 04:34 PM

just watched it....disgusting. Someone needs to take that whip to his nuts a few times.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Report:
  • 6 month suspension.
  • Has to pay all vet bills related to the injury.
  • Anger management courses.

John Wayne of Delaware Racing Commission should join me before the show ends with official ruling details...

All righty then, I guess there was intent. Dumb, dumb, dumb, Jeremy.

tiggerv 06-24-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I'm biased obviously, since I like the jock, but even with the head on, I think there's at least a chance the guy didn't do it with intent.

:eek:

Really??

ateamstupid 06-24-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
You have to type the horses name in, can't do it via track unless it is california
Appeal To The City is the name, according to Drugs...

Thanks.

What a freaking dumbass.

Not that they'll ever do it, but this was served up perfectly for Randy Moss and his "ban the whip" nonsense.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiggerv
:eek:

Really??

It's not like the guy is a known animal abuser. Sue me for at least giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Coach Pants 06-24-2008 04:38 PM

He should face animal cruelty charges as well.

3kings 06-24-2008 04:39 PM

The head on is pretty brutal........hard to feel sorry for Rose.

tiggerv 06-24-2008 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
It's not like the guy is a known animal abuser. Sue me for at least giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

I believe he is known for having a temper though and he will be known as an animal abuser after this. The new face for whatever sick PETA campaign is upcoming.

parsixfarms 06-24-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Jockeys usually get 7 day penalties that they delay until winter when they wont be riding anyway. How many get 6 months? Assmussen got 6 months and Biancone effectively got a year and he didnt even get a positive. I find that jockeys usually get days for things that are either dangerous or intentional. The vast majority of medication positives are neither dangerous or intentional.

I'm thinking about those jockeys at Tampa who got ruled off the grounds immediately - with an effective penalty far worse than a few days, and the "battery" incident where the guy lost his license for a few years, if I recall.

I agree that the jockeys' appeals until December render the "typical" careless riding suspensions meaningless.

The trainers that you referenced are the only ones that I can remember getting penalties that severe, and I doubt their misdeeds were unintentional.

Scav 06-24-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiggerv
I believe he is known for having a temper though and he will be known as an animal abuser after this. The new face for whatever sick PETA campaign is upcoming.

PETA is all over Wimbeldon using sharpshooters to blow birds out of the sky right now.... :)

slotdirt 06-24-2008 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiggerv
I believe he is known for having a temper though and he will be known as an animal abuser after this. The new face for whatever sick PETA campaign is upcoming.

Yup, probably right on that last comment. I've never seen Rose dog a ride, and he's competitive as they come, but I guess that got the best of him.

Bigsmc 06-24-2008 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiggerv
Make sure you watch the head on. It is pretty disgusting.

He won't ride again.

I agree with both statements. That was tough to watch.

If that was my horse that he did that to.....

Scav 06-24-2008 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
I agree with both statements. That was tough to watch.

If that was my horse that he did that to.....

Oh man....Oh man

declansharbor 06-24-2008 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kings
The head on is pretty brutal........hard to feel sorry for Rose.

Agreed. He should never be able to mount another horse in his life. He should get his hot headed a$$ put in jail and fined out the wahzoo.

Coach Pants 06-24-2008 04:45 PM

Maybe some good will come out of this...


like shutting down Delaware Park.

GPK 06-24-2008 04:46 PM

I can't think of any legitimate excuse for doing something like that. No way he can claim it was accidental...he clearly swung the whip at the horses face.

horseofcourse 06-24-2008 04:47 PM

Holy cow...watched the head on...the kid's got some issues. Very sad to see something like that.

Antitrust32 06-24-2008 04:48 PM

Afleet Alex must be PISSED

-BT- 06-24-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Report:
  • 6 month suspension.
  • Has to pay all vet bills related to the injury.
  • Anger management courses.

John Wayne of Delaware Racing Commission should join me before the show ends with official ruling details...


this might be a dumb question, but is this suspension from Del Park only? If so, is he not free to take his tak elsewhere?

tampa guys last year and p-val come to mind when talking about these situations.

i have not got a chance to see the replay, so i have no opinion at this point

-bt-

Scav 06-24-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT-
this might be a dumb question, but is this suspension from Del Park only? If so, is he not free to take his tak elsewhere?

tampa guys last year and p-val come to mind when talking about these situations.

i have not got a chance to see the replay, so i have no opinion at this point

-bt-

I highly doubt someone would ride him, regardless of where he goes, he probably wouldn't get a license.

No one wants to be in this firestorm. WHOA!!

slotdirt 06-24-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
I can't think of any legitimate excuse for doing something like that. No way he can claim it was accidental...he clearly swung the whip at the horses face.

Right after he hits the horse's face, I think I recall him throwing down a couple more left handed shots to get the point across.

I'm going to slammed here for saying this, but I still don't think it's as bad as y'all do. I'd at least like to hear his explanation before passing judgment.

Cannon Shell 06-24-2008 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I'm thinking about those jockeys at Tampa who got ruled off the grounds immediately - with an effective penalty far worse than a few days, and the "battery" incident where the guy lost his license for a few years, if I recall.

I agree that the jockeys' appeals until December render the "typical" careless riding suspensions meaningless.

The trainers that you referenced are the only ones that I can remember getting penalties that severe, and I doubt their misdeeds were unintentional.

I cant say too much about the Tampa situation other than where the is smoke...

I hope you arent saying that using an electrical device is the equal to a medication positive? Maybe for etorphine. As we have discussed far too often about positive tests, the system sucks, most positives have no effect on the horse, and the vast majority are for allowed meds. A "machine" is blatantly illegal.

I can remember lots of trainers getting 30 to 45 day suspensions including Pletcher.

The difference between a jockey getting days and a trainer getting days is that the trainer has employees and expenses that dont go away. A jock packs his stuff and goes on vacation. Not to mention the trouble caused for the connections who have to scramble to find a new rider, often after the best jocks are already locked up.

3kings 06-24-2008 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
I can't think of any legitimate excuse for doing something like that. No way he can claim it was accidental...he clearly swung the whip at the horses face.

Agreed.........especially since he is at the wire or past the wire. It is pure anger that he decided to take out on the horse.

Scav 06-24-2008 04:55 PM

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/45859.htm

The Indomitable DrugS 06-24-2008 04:55 PM

Desormeaux was fined $500 for hitting a horse in the mouth with a whip repeatedly in a July race at Saratoga last year on Stolen Star.

But he did so while running on the lead with a horse who habitually drifts out through the lane - and he had a horse right to his outside who he would have herded out some had he not.

That incident probably looked just as bad from the pan shot views - but KD was not even close to the eye and did so in a short controlled motion. JR just looked like he was pissed - and right as he lost 2nd place just before the wire he got careless and caught the horses eye apperantly.

Bobby Fischer 06-24-2008 04:56 PM

frame by frame
 





TalkToTheHoof 06-24-2008 04:57 PM

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/45859.htm

Jeremy Rose Handed Six-Month Suspension
Email Print RSS Date Posted: June 24, 2008
Last Updated: June 24, 2008

Excerpt:

Jockey Jeremy Rose was suspended for six months following a steward’s hearing the morning of June 24 for whipping his mount Appeal to the City in the face during the third race at Delaware Park June 23.


In the chart footnotes for the five-furlong claiming contest on the turf, it states, “Appeal to the City stalked the pace inside, angled off the rail to challenge into the stretch, steadied outside the winner in the furlong grounds, then weakened before shying after being struck with the whip late.”


According to John Wayne, executive director of the Delaware Thoroughbred Racing Commission, the horse experienced some hemorrhaging in its eye due to contact with Rose’s whip.

-BT- 06-24-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I highly doubt someone would ride him, regardless of where he goes, he probably wouldn't get a license.

No one wants to be in this firestorm. WHOA!!


anythings possible, supposed race fixers got mounts at finger lakes... and i'm pretty sure billy patin came back to ride after the buzzer incident.

my point is, he can go to a small circuit and keep making ends meat if this is just a del. park suspension.
but if it's as blatant as everyone says it is, i think he should be in Kierran Fallan status, a man without a country

-bt-

Coach Pants 06-24-2008 05:02 PM

Louisiana will take him.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 05:03 PM

I don't see how on any level this situation compares to that of Kieran Fallon.

10 pnt move up 06-24-2008 05:04 PM

One of the more brutal acts I have seen on the track....PETA is going to go apeshi t over this.

-BT- 06-24-2008 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I don't see how on any level this situation compares to that of Kieran Fallon.


in regards to applying for a license in other state/circuit or country. Fallon was blackballed by everyone after the fixing scandal.
You're right, the events are completely different, not even close to eachother. My point is people should avoid and deny Rose a license during this suspension and honor del. park ruling.

I can only imagine the sh!t this guy is going to take next time he comes out for a post parade

-bt-

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-24-2008 05:22 PM

they should make an example out of him..let this be the one thing the whole industry wont take lightly..though i have seen some exercise riders..that are close...

slotdirt 06-24-2008 05:22 PM

I agree that other jurisdictions should honor the suspension, absolutely.

I honestly don't think this particular incident is going to be a huge deal in the non-racing community because A., it appears the horse in question will recover and B., it was a cheap claimer at Delaware Park, not the Derby or a Breeders Cup race.

jcs11204 06-24-2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Agreed. He should never be able to mount another horse in his life. He should get his hot headed a$$ put in jail and fined out the wahzoo.

a bit excessive

Coach Pants 06-24-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I agree that other jurisdictions should honor the suspension, absolutely.

I honestly don't think this particular incident is going to be a huge deal in the non-racing community because A., it appears the horse in question will recover and B., it was a cheap claimer at Delaware Park, not the Derby or a Breeders Cup race.

I think the AP will pick this story up.


It's going to get uuuuuugly.

KirisClown 06-24-2008 05:27 PM

For anyone that missed it...

Head-on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBFmTT50Y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqd1bURSEO8

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-24-2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
a bit excessive

really..he cant be that dumb to not know the eye is on the sport..fn burn em

id feel better if he was hitting the other jock

Scav 06-24-2008 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I agree that other jurisdictions should honor the suspension, absolutely.

I honestly don't think this particular incident is going to be a huge deal in the non-racing community because A., it appears the horse in question will recover and B., it was a cheap claimer at Delaware Park, not the Derby or a Breeders Cup race.

I think you are taking this lightly. What he did is the definition of pouring gasoline on a fire..........

texarkana 06-24-2008 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I honestly don't think this particular incident is going to be a huge deal in the non-racing community because A., it appears the horse in question will recover and B., it was a cheap claimer at Delaware Park, not the Derby or a Breeders Cup race.

If it were any other jockey at DelPark, I'd agree with you. But Jeremy Rose really struck a chord with the public back in 2005. For some reason his name has stuck with the non-racing persons a lot better than most.

This is going to make the news. And just what we needed... more fuel for the fire.

Can racing not get a break this year???


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