That's more like it.

My hunch proved right - that's exactly what they just did.

The 9f races (Hystericalady and Curlin) were split from the 8.5 furlong races (Pyro and Mambo)

It was a VERY questionable thing to do because the Pyro race came in between the HL and Curlin race - and tracks don't speed right up and slow right back down again - but... they have become very split variant happy when making the Beyer Figs - so it certainly seemed like a very safe bet they would do that... and I was a bit surprised they didn't do it initially.

Makes more sense to me from a capability standpoint - Hystericalady is better than her original fig (and probably this one too), Pyro's not 101 worthy, and 110 works for Curlin even though that seems a little high with the slow pace.

ok but this morning when i said it was low, ppl were all over me ?

:rolleyes: The blind hatred of Pyro on this site continues to amaze me.

What does capability have to do with these particular races? Hystericalady beat a bunch of muskrats and was hardly asked to run, and Curlin's race was affected by a slow pace. I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.

You got to consider the source, ACE. The people criticizing horses like PYRO are also over hyping horses like Harlem Rocker and Unbridled's whatever. It's a number's frenzy. Enjoy it. It's what makes the game beatable.

after Curlins 110, 2nd best beyer of weekend is Rockerfeller. trained by marty wolfson in only his last two, runs a 106 beating some very speedy horses with ease. was basically running in the 70s beyer wise and couldnt win a nw2. reminds me of the turnaround of another live oak runner given to wolfson, Miesques Approval went from crap to breeders cup winner and turf champion

maybe it's the darley connection?

He's an ok horse - but I just don't think he's that fast. I don't hate him at all - he was one of the two horses I keyed on top in the derby. But, I think the figs he earned earlier this year are about right (as opposed to the BC fig). And, more importantly, I don't think My Pal Charlie is capable of the type of fig that he would get if Pyro got a 101.

I'm not an expert figure maker like you are apparently, so it's just easier for me to look at a fig in relation to a horse's previous figs and make judgments based on that as well as pace, trip, etc... I don't have the time or energy to analyze final times, variants, etc... I'm left at the mercy of the fig makers, which isn't ideal, but I trust their judgment most of the time.

I didn't have a problem with Curlin's original fig because of the pace scenario and the fact that it was his first race back from Dubai, but obviously if they split the variant it works out to a 110. Hystericalady's fig also makes sense, so I don't have a problem with it. Like you said, she wasn't asked (we won't get in to this discussion).

Fat man - you're just corny sometimes. I respect your opinion on trips, but the rest of the time you're a bit of a douche bag.

I am boycotting that race

Heatseeker could be horse of the year next year if they kept him in training

IMO Heatseeker and tiago are second raters. Surf cat may have been talented but Headleys horses never seem to run much anyway. Lava man is over the hill as is PD and Big Booster is the second coming of Shifty Sheik. They are not really top horses.

Daytona is a good horse though he is all turf.

Here's a good trivia for you Chuck....name the four distances Shifty Sheik ran following the claim by Oscar. He won the first three races.

And kept him on synthetics

I know the first one was 1 1/8th at Saratoga, just missed the tr.

There was also only a quinella on the race which was annoying. What did he run....1:47 2/5?

He won his following start at one mile at Belmont, then he beat Ma Maison at 6F at Belmont, and then he finished second to Slew o Gold in the Woodward.

Can you imagine the rancor on board like this when Oscar was performing miracles?

Rancor? Oscar was like an ATM. You could bet $11 doubles with impugnity. Plus, he had moves, like turnbacks on short rest with blinker changes that were gold.

Of course, there will never be anything like Bob Debonis blinkers off. And I mean NEVER.

The golden age...

No doubt. That's when the cheaters were GOOD.

I don't like it either. Why can't they just leave these ones as they were? Are we really to believe that the stretch of track from where they start the 9 furlong races to where they start the 8.5 furlong races is so slow that it needs to be split out?

It must be keeping him up at night. After all, we know she's better than Da Tara, and she can outrun him.

He's OK. All things considered, he could be a factor in 3YO races later this year. We'll see.

Hey, don't sell yourself short, I think your post is even funnier!

Neither did anything she did BEFORE that race....as I think about 40 of us tried to tell you at that time.

Really?

SHE IS 100% top 5, and shes a champion, ppl fail to understand that

i think i would take her over pyro today... my crystal ball says she'd cruise

shes top 5, even if its 5, shes still top 5

shes is better then pure clan... i can say that without a doubt

the fillies are tons stronger this year, they are carrying the 3 yrold crop

i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

So, you think she would beat J Be K at 7F?

3 yr olds ? or 3 yr old filles ?