No. Was he considered a wild man?

Einstein??? That would be some irony. Say he were to win the Arl Million or Pacific Classic, JC Gold Cup and BC Classic, Curlin doesnt run here anymore and BB comes back and gets beat again? It is not impossible.

No but he did train in France and I couldnt think of anyone else.

There was a trainer who was known as " Wild Man " blank. You must know that. I think the last time I saw him was years ago in the Belmont paddock when he bleached his hair.

Einstein is not winning the JC Gold Cup. He has no acceleration on dirt.

Not saying that Einstein ran huge, but that 20-1 shot was allowed to get away with murder on the front end.

Billy Wright?

What took you so long?

I suppose he will still have license issues but the handicap division has never been more disgraceful than it may be this fall.

I have tried to eliminate all memories of WWW

I am not saying he ran huge either but he is pretty consistent and he tries hard which is more than most of the rest of them can say

I suppose but there might be some improving 3YOs ( what if Mint Lane's for real? ) and it won't take much to beat Einstein.

God, I wonder what is going to line up for the Suburban.

I didn't know him.

Didn't he run El Senor in the Arc?

The level of asswhipping he would receive in the Arc would be a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

I think they should just win the Arlington Million and BC Turf and call it a day.

I know sometimes we may be overly critical of crops and divisions and such things but this is really a totally talentless older horse division with one notable exception. I mean honestly who has any real ability besides Curlin? It is a collection of marginally talented knockarounds who show up once in a while and over the hill horses who were never really that good anyway. I guess some of the polymonsters can deflect the issue a bit but these older horses really suck.

Agreed. I would hate to see it to be honest.

Mint Lane isn't much.

He may have but i dont remember him doing so.

He was a good dude but really certifiable. Last time i saw him was at Hialeah.

You're preaching to the choir....but where the hell did his race Friday come from?

heatseeker is legit for horse of the year...especially if he wins BCC

I think there were a lot of smoke and mirrors with his performance Friday.

It was a trip very similar to the one that yielded a 119 Beyer for Commentator and a 118 Beyer for Monterary Jazz - all allowed a free ride on an uncontested lead through very moderate fractions going a middle distance.

i disagree

can we please never ever compare commentator to mint lane

I understand, but when you consider how slow the track was playing I'm not so sure the pace was moderate at all. But, a lot of races during the week were reasonably fast early and slow late so you might be right.

I was comparing similar trips they had - he ran 13 points (7 lengths at that distance) faster than Mint Lane in the two races being compared

ic... now that we are talking about commentator, whats next ? the whitney ?

Please don't encourage him.

His expected pace rival didn't break well - and visually they all appeared well within themselves.

The half mile fraction in an MSW race for fillies an hour earlier went a full second faster to the half mile - but that race did fracture and a 32/1 shot who was last after a half did win. Maybe I'm wrong about the pace being very slow - but that's how it seemed to me on first impression.

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BTW, you must know ? whats next for commentator, a repeat in the whitney ?

Ta gueule

i do disagree.... how can you say are countrys best horse, hands down.... who ships very good and is bred very well for the turf would have no chance ?

Arrete de parler. Tu me rends folle!

It's tricky. I'm not even sure you can compare the mile and 1 1/16th races so readily. However, I tend to agree with your initial comment the more I think about it, if for no other reason than disagreeing makes the performance even more puzzling. As is, it's a tough one to swallow.

hes no turf god.. he will have one prep to take on the best of the euros..who train /and run on the heavy long turf.. have you noticed any high action when curlin runs......didnt think so

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I dunno how moderate those fractions were.

do we really care about mint lane ? and if hes so good, then what is casino drive ? the best horse in the world ?

Yeah, because that totally has to be the case if Mint Lane turns out to be good. I care about Mint Lane. You don't have to, but considering your tendency to fall in love with every horse that wins a three-year-old stakes, it's interesting that you don't care about a horse that blew a 106 Beyer.

i dont have a tendency... i did not like the horse mint lane beat... i thought he was way overhyped... i feel in love with casino drive, because he was freaky good, and now mint lane was freaky good, so what does that mean for casino drive ?

Casino Drive wasn't "freaky good" and Mint Lane's performance was just "freaky" - possibly an aberration.