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Sightseek 06-10-2008 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
is that jerry bailey?

ha ha ha!

Kasept 06-10-2008 10:25 AM

4th (2:36)

1 Mile | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming

1 Love Co Prado E S 116 L
2 My Dinah Espinoza J L 116 L
3 Aly's Colors Sanchez J 121 $25,000 L
4 City in the Clouds Coa E M 121 $25,000 L
5 Seventeen Love Garcia Alan 121 L
6 Guts Game Gomez G K 121 L
7 Silver Elegance Luzzi M J 121 L
8 La Mure Morales S 114 L
9 Reyana's Jet Maragh R 121 L
10 Duchess of Rokeby Chavez J F 121 L



5th (3:08)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($35,000) | Purse: $34,000

1 Elder Skatesman Samyn J L 120 $35,000 L
2 All in No Outs Coa E M 120 $35,000 Blk-On L
3 Prairie Boy Sanchez J 120 $35,000 L
4 Morning's Image Morales S 113 $35,000 L
5 Kick Up Your Heels Prado E S 120 $35,000 L
6 Hot Table Desormeaux K J 120 $35,000 L
7 Youbethecan Velasquez C 120 $35,000 L
8 Allaboutmack Hill C 120 $35,000 L
9 Nikkinikkinikki Velazquez J R 115 $35,000 Blk-Off L
10 Bad Streak Chavez J F 115 $35,000 L
11 Taken Not Given Rodriguez R R 120 $35,000 L
12 Classic Impact Espinoza J L 120 $35,000 L
AE Star for Tina Samyn J L 120 $35,000 L
AE Flash of Victory Castellano J J 120 $35,000 L



6th (3:40)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Starter Allowance | Purse: $49,000

1 Sumphin Desormeaux K J 121 L
2 Stormy Mirage Velazquez J R 119 L
3 Footloose Man Garcia Alan 119 L
4 Romp (ARG) Maragh R 121 L
5 Brushed Prince Berrios Cruz J 114 L
6 Willsboro Point Coa E M 117
7 Personal Good Hill C 117 L
8 Dancing Tin Man Velasquez C 121 L
9 Chalook Espinoza J L 121 L
10 Baystreet Bully Samyn J L 119 L
11 Saint Barr Prado E S 121 L
12 Red Demon Luzzi M J 121 L



7th (4:12)

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $49,000

1 La Ransom Desormeaux K J 116 L
2 Our Montana Dream Gomez O 121 L
3 Koufax Curve Prado E S 116 L
4 Justinline Maragh R 118 L
5 Flying Sappho Velazquez J R 121 L
6 Citifiesta Samyn J L 118 L
7 Mia Chavez J F 121 L
8 Zip by You Coa E M 121 L
9 Myakka Velasquez C 116 L
10 Cizi Rodriguez R R 121 L
11 Classic Love Hill C 116 L
12 Posey Park Espinoza J L 121 L
1A Mine Or Who's Desormeaux K J 116 L
2B-MTO Union Center Gomez O 121 L
13-MTO Karakorum Playmate Morales S 109 L
2X-MTO Kitty Nip Gomez O 121 L

A-Coupled: La Ransom and Mine Or Who's
B-Coupled: Our Montana Dream and Union Center and Kitty Nip



8th (4:45)

7 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $55,000

1 Betelo Desormeaux K J 119 L
2 Jed Greeley Garcia Alan 121 L
3 Unbridled Refrain Sanchez J 117 L
4 Cloud Nine Espinoza J L 119 L
5 Pennington Coa E M 123 L
6 Big Wig Gomez G K 117 L
7 Raynicks Fan Velasquez C 121 L
8 Papa Bear Hill C 121 L
9 Forest of Dreams Castellano J J 121 L
10 Pluracity Velazquez J R 117 L



9th (5:17)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $41,000

1 Bomber D Back Garcia Alan 117 $25,000 L
2 Mackinaw Hill C 119 $25,000 L
3 Never Stop Dreamin Espinoza J L 123 $25,000 L
4 Say Karakorm Sandy Rodriguez R R 117 $25,000 L
5 Stand Pat Sanchez J 117 $25,000 L
6 E Z Dollar Morales S 110 $25,000 L
7 Newmont Luzzi M J 121 $25,000 Blk-On L
8 Estimator Velasquez C 121 $25,000 L
9 Golden Amulet Castellano J J 121 $25,000 L
10 Ten Forty Desormeaux K J 121 $25,000 FTL
11 Conquer the Fear Coa E M 123 $25,000 L
12 Honor Evening Maragh R 117 $25,000 L
AE Five Demon Bag Bermudez J E 123 $25,000 L
AE Unbridled Wish Hill C 119 $25,000 L

ateamstupid 06-10-2008 10:43 AM

Scratch Reyana's Jet out of the fourth (cleared N2X condition Friday).

robfla 06-10-2008 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
is that jerry bailey?


lol....Fredo Corleone

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
I LOVE Stormy Mirage here, and he'll be a fair price.


What do you think is a fair price?

He won't be close to the 10:1 ML.

NoLuvForPletch 06-10-2008 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
What do you think is a fair price?

He won't be close to the 10:1 ML.

I think anything above 6-1 would be fair, but I really like him off the last race. He probably should be closer to the 10-1 morning line with the majority of the field being multiple winners, so I guess my use of the word fair isn't correct. DTM will be the chalk and others who will take as much, if not more, money as him would be Sumphin, Romp, Personal Good and I think even the Dutrow with Prado aboard. So he could creep even closer to 10-1 than that, don't you think?

Rudeboyelvis 06-10-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Scratch Reyana's Jet out of the fourth (cleared N2X condition Friday).

And the AE Flash of Victory in the fifth - cleared condition at Philly park yesterday

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
I think anything above 6-1 would be fair, but I really like him off the last race. He probably should be closer to the 10-1 morning line with the majority of the field being multiple winners, so I guess my use of the word fair isn't correct. DTM will be the chalk and others who will take as much, if not more, money as him would be Sumphin, Romp, Personal Good and I think even the Dutrow with Prado aboard. So he could creep even closer to 10-1 than that, don't you think?


I think he should be, and will be, second choice at around 7:2. But, I honestly have to look at the race much more.

NoLuvForPletch 06-10-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think he should be, and will be, second choice at around 7:2. But, I honestly have to look at the race much more.

Well, if that is the case, singling him in my Pk 6 will probably be all I do with him. If he were more I'd make a win bet on him as well.

ateamstupid 06-10-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Well, if that is the case, singling him in my Pk 6 will probably be all I do with him. If he were more I'd make a win bet on him as well.

I think Stormy Mirage will probably be fourth or fifth choice. I'd be shocked to see him at second choice.

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I think Stormy Mirage will probably be fourth or fifth choice. I'd be shocked to see him at second choice.


Really? Please tell me the three or four horses that are going to take more money than him. I'm very curious.

Scav 06-10-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Really? Please tell me the three or four horses that are going to take more money than him. I'm very curious.

maybe the 1,3,6 but I doubt the 6. And of course Dancing Tin Man

I can see people playing the 1 though off that last Beyer and the addition of Desormeaux

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
maybe the 1,3,6 but I doubt the 6. And of course Dancing Tin Man

I can see people playing the 1 though off that last Beyer and the addition of Desormeaux


Willsboro Point ( the 6 )?????? That's a riot.

Footloose Man????? That's even funnier.

I hope Joey has a better list. Or some of that kind bud your smoking.

ateamstupid 06-10-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Really? Please tell me the three or four horses that are going to take more money than him. I'm very curious.

Dancing Tin Man, Personal Good, Sumphin. Maybe he's third choice. You think they're going to bet him over DTM or Personal Good?

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Dancing Tin Man, Personal Good, Sumphin. Maybe he's third choice. You think they're going to bet him over DTM or Personal Good?

I would be surprised if Dancing Tin Man wasn't the favorite. Could he be a bigger price than Sumphin? Possibly though it feels close. Maybe because I find Sumphin such a joke I'm biased.

I hadn't even considered Personal Good a competitive member of the field. What am I missing?

Coach Pants 06-10-2008 04:04 PM

Romp and Saint Barr might take more money.

ateamstupid 06-10-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I would be surprised if Dancing Tin Man wasn't the favorite. Could he be a bigger price than Sumphin? Possibly though it feels close. Maybe because I find Sumphin such a joke I'm biased.

I hadn't even considered Personal Good a competitive member of the field. What am I missing?

90 Beyer last out would attract some money, I'd think. It's the biggest number anyone in the field's ever earned.

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
90 Beyer last out would attract some money, I'd think. It's the biggest number anyone in the field's ever earned.


It's so ridiculously out of whack that I have a hard time believing it will affect his odds enough.

Rudeboyelvis 06-10-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Dancing Tin Man, Personal Good, Sumphin. Maybe he's third choice. You think they're going to bet him over DTM or Personal Good?

I don't see Sumphin taking more money that Stormy Mirage, but probably will see Romp do so...I expect to see Personal Good get away at a price, and will use him as a "C", but don't expect to see him duplicate that form.. My guess is that SM will be third choice by post time

ateamstupid 06-10-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's so ridiculously out of whack that I have a hard time believing it will affect his odds enough.

It's 15 points higher than anything Stormy Mirage is run, so I think he'll get bet harder. We'll see.

Coach Pants 06-10-2008 04:14 PM

Has there been any rain since Saturday?

Rudeboyelvis 06-10-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Romp and Saint Barr might take more money.

beaten chalk by a combined 27 lengths the last 3 starts...no thanks...

slotdirt 06-10-2008 04:17 PM

Interesting to see Romp back less than two weeks after falling (???) in his last effort.

Coach Pants 06-10-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
beaten chalk by a combined 27 lengths the last 3 starts...no thanks...

He should like the grass though...

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Has there been any rain since Saturday?


Brief thunderstorm Sunday and there might be the same tonight. It won't affect the turf.

NoLuvForPletch 06-10-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Really? Please tell me the three or four horses that are going to take more money than him. I'm very curious.

just my opinion...

Sumphin - multiple winner, winner over the track...
Romp (will be close to SM on the board) - multiple winner, i know 2-21, but 5-5 in the money on the BEL lawn...
Personal Good (will also be close to SM on the board) - high beyer in the field
Dancing Tin Man - your favorite...
Saint Barr - hasn't been higher than 4/1 in his last 10 races, and has been favored in his last 3 money burning efforts, but they keep betting him...

now that we've completely over analyzed this, it will pour and be taken off the turf, though I hope not...

honestly after DTM, I think the other 4 and Stormy Mirage could end up anywhere from 7/2 to 8/1...

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 04:30 PM

Here's the mistake you're making.....you discovered Stormy Mirage's obvious merits. Everybody else will as well. He's not exactly a clever horse. I'm not trying to be an ass....I'm just pointing it out.

I happen to agree with you that he's interesting. Whether or not he beats the favorite is another story. Obviously if I thought he would be anywhere close to his ML I would be intrigued. I don't, however, see the race that way. Maybe I'm wrong....but my guess is the betting will reflect his solid chances of winning. Frankly, if it doesn't, I'm guessing we're the ones who are wrong.

NoLuvForPletch 06-10-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Here's the mistake you're making.....you discovered Stormy Mirage's obvious merits. Everybody else will as well. He's not exactly a clever horse. I'm not trying to be an ass....I'm just pointing it out.

I happen to agree with you that he's interesting. Whether or not he beats the favorite is another story. Obviously if I thought he would be anywhere close to his ML I would be intrigued. I don't, however, see the race that way. Maybe I'm wrong....but my guess is the betting will reflect his solid chances of winning. Frankly, if it doesn't, I'm guessing we're the ones who are wrong.

I had that exact same thought as I was putting together the list...

though I still think the time off and the fact that those other horses seem to always take money; Sumphin - 3/2, 9/2, 5/2; Romp - 7/5, 2/1, 2/1; and Saint Barr - 4/5, 3/2, 6/5 we might get a solid price...interestingly, with all of the talk about DTM being the obvious favorite, he is almost never bet as he's only been favored once in his last 12 races, and that was as part of an entry...

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
My second single will be a horse that most of you will not like, La Ransom. She may go off as high a price as ever today, but here is why I like. Last time she broke from the rail (10/18/7), sprinting on turf, she went right to the lead and never looked back. That was with KJD aboard and he's back on today. I don't see anyone who's going to go 22, 45 and 2/5ths even though there is other speed signed on. Lastly, the winner of her last is a lot better than she ran on the 22nd, trust me I know. And as everyone can see Lost Without You came back to win last time. So, I give this second off the layoff the big thumbs up.


I think the connections, if they look at the race, will scratch La Ransom in order to run her entrymate.

docicu3 06-10-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think the connections, if they look at the race, will scratch La Ransom in order to run her entrymate.


Are there any other early scratches in the P6 races your aware of sir??

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Are there any other early scratches in the P6 races your aware of sir??


The scratches come out tomorrow. I don't understand....how would I know of scratches?

I'm just guessing they will scratch La Ransom. If the connections look at the race, and have a pulse, they will scratch her. Whether or not they do is another question.

Darrrr7 06-10-2008 06:21 PM

Reyana's jet will be scratched. he won on Friday

blackthroatedwind 06-10-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrrr7
Reyana's jet will be scratched. he won on Friday

I think that was already posted....he's also still a she.

asudevil 06-10-2008 08:37 PM

Romp is a single....save the the spreading for other races. Again, Romp is a single.

JJP 06-10-2008 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Really? Please tell me the three or four horses that are going to take more money than him. I'm very curious.

1 Sumphin, 7 Personal Good 8 Dancing Tin Man 11 Saint Barr

Thats not to say the 11 is more likely to win; but the crowd loves to bet Saint Barr every race.

jcs11204 06-10-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil
Romp is a single....save the the spreading for other races. Again, Romp is a single.

based on what ? seconds, and beating 50 claimers at tampa ? i dont see it

asudevil 06-10-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
based on what ? seconds, and beating 50 claimers at tampa ? i dont see it

It's not always so obvious.

Bigsmc 06-11-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The scratches come out tomorrow. I don't understand....how would I know of scratches?

I'm just guessing they will scratch La Ransom. If the connections look at the race, and have a pulse, they will scratch her. Whether or not they do is another question.

Apparently their lack of pulse did not allow them to look at the race because they are absolutely running the wrong horse.

hurricanefrank 06-11-2008 10:56 AM

Mine or Who's scratch
 
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Apparently their lack of pulse did not allow them to look at the race because they are absolutely running the wrong horse.

I totally agree. Given the pace scenario it seemed a no-brainer to run Mine Or Who's. Perhaps the post position draws played a part in the decision.

NoLuvForPletch 06-11-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Apparently their lack of pulse did not allow them to look at the race because they are absolutely running the wrong horse.

Maybe that should tell you something...


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