PETA is going to have a field day with this. Especially if he's retired. This time, I really can't say that I'll blame them.

why is it either/or? either you have a triple crown winner or else you have disapointment and a dying game? i don't get it.

the triple crown is on the line for only one day per year. how does having a triple crown winner keep casual fans excited AFTER the Belmont?

Why? Because he ran poorly? Hell if that was the case they would be shelling my house as bad as the last few i have ran have finished. Because his feelings are hurt?

I loved how Bailey and Moss said they like Dutrow and his attitude. Muhammad Ali was mentioned and the way he would talk trash, tell you which round he'd beat you in and tell you how ugly you were. Joe Namath is known today for one thing and that's guaranteeing the SB win. Jordan used to say that when he's on his game, nobody could stop him. Talking trash is part of sports. If you don't like what someone is saying or doing, beat them. That's the best way to shut them up. Not crying about it cause they've beaten you.

I couldnt agree more.....if ANY other connection lost today I would be bummed for em...not IEAH...they deserved to finish last today and I couldnt be happier!!!!

If he ran poorly as a result of any physical distress, they will be all over it. They openly questioned whether he should be running when the quarter crack issues came up and now this? They will absolutely tie this together, whether they actually tie together or not.

There will be NOBODY at Belmont Sunday...it's CLOSED:mad:

I never understood the reason that casual fans matter much anyway? That is why they are casual.

Like it or not 98% of racing exists because people like me race horses and people like you guys bet on them. The big events are nice but singular events that dont really have much bearing on the sport or business in general.

If you used baseball as a parallel, it would be like me going to more Louisville Bats games if Arod hits for the Triple Crown. Are more people going to show up next thursday if big brown wins?

Trash talking at one opponent is far diff. than dissing an entire field.
That is trash talking to the 3rd power. And that is stupid. Not a good comparison. In horse racing success is a very fickle, fleeting moment. Dutrow apparently enjoys the highs and lows.
People have to have a strong constitution and a little humility to
endure highs and lows. So I will give dutrow the strong constitution part.

Now watch Dutrow have a complete mental breakdown.

Yea ,you are probably right considering the weak group he defeated in the first two legs.

CAnnon,

A couple of years ago we bought a 2yo at sales and sent him to Billy Turner's barn. He of course was juiced up on roids from the presale period and Billy told me he wouldn't and couldn't race him for awhile as the withdrawal period made the colt and not easily trainable.


ANY chance that's what went wrong today? Running a horse on withdrawal from juice?:confused:

Unless they are betting nothing they say has any validity. If I bet on BB I may be pissed (even i wasnt dumb enough to do that)

They also want to bring Larry Jones up on charges...only a simpleton would give them any creditability. You know some people think Hitler did some good things too...

I don't give them any credibility at all. But it's interesting that you bring up Hitler. On the flip side of that, not every organization that is as stupid as they are, is wrong all the time.

No. If Dutrow was giving a once a month dosage there is no withdrawl and absolutely no effect either way. There is almost certainly an abcess in his foot or a stress fracture somewhere. The steroids thing is totally overblown.

By saying that they have a valid argument, you are giving them a credtability. Anybody can make idiotic statements in public and gloat once in a while that they are right. That doesnt make them smart or creditabile. As a matter of fact that happens here on a daily basis.

no i meant because he is no where near as good as the other TC winners.

Is that because the dispensed amount each month is smaller than they give the presale horses?

Horses dont break down from quartercracks. There very well be an abcess underneath there causing him some discomfort but unless you have xray vision or a crystal ball you just dont know. Most of you have no understanding exactly how hard it is to train horses. It is the reason that some of us 'wonder' about the guys that seemingly make it look easy.

I knew it and I was going to say something;

He should have had a V8

Spyder

The usual monthly dosage of 5 to 10 cc's is not very much for a mature racehorse. Especially considering that body builders sometimes are taking 2 or 3 cc a day in 21 day cycles.

of course it would be.

people ask who wins at daytona, or indy, or pay attention to the ncaa final game-but not the other 364 days of the year. people hear of sports and know their biggest day, that in no way makes people become fans at any other time of year.

if people on here want to make new fans, take your kids. or your young nieces or nephews. the people who cram into new york to maybe see a tc winner are only there to say they saw one (if/when it happens)-it won't make them come back. they've seen what they wanted to see. it's up to fans to continue the sport, to promote it within their own circle.

But if that's the case wouldn't he favor it? I'm asking..I have no idea...whatever it was, and I think it just wasn't meant to be.....as much as racing would like to have a tc winner, these connections are everything that horse racing does not need.....couldn't have turned out better....

sometimes these things dont bother the horse until they are pushed to the extremes like in a race. you are patching over something an hoping that there isnt anything else in there.

Yep The gods have spoken... I don't know about anyone else here but when Big Brown ran up on heels and threw his head on the 1st turn, you just had a premonition that it might not be his day today. Obviously this was not the Big Brown we saw today in the first 2 legs of the triple crown, for a fan the race was really anticlimatic as compared to the other failed TC crownings, I'm not dissapointed he lost I just wish it were done more on merit, that someone took it away from him, as Birdstone had, Empire Maker, Victory Gallop, Touch Gold had all done prior to today. Big Brown basically beat himself.

isn't that why they waited so long to patch it? to let whatever was in there out? surely he had some drainage. i know they said he had a bit of heat in there, so obviously something was going on.
if i remember correctly, it took a couple days after the belmont before they realized bid had an abcess-it was deep in his foot, and they had to drill and drain it.
i bet that's what they find here.

at any rate, too often people think a horse who has won by many is just so much better and is completely unbeatable, regardless of physical issues, surface questions, etc as we can see, that's not the case.

he seemed to settle by the first turn and was running well down the backside. but then you see the back group moving up on brown, and then kent asked him and nothing in response. i thought for a few seconds that he might not do it, but felt there was still a chance for him (to be honest, i didn't want to get too hopeful too soon, and then have him take off), and then sure enough, he started throwing in the towel. he just got inhaled by that back group, and then kent just pulled him up and over.

I found Moss and Bailey's comments interesting after the race, they both mentioned that BB did not have an injection of steroids for this race and it is possible it was a negative factor to him running badly. I think Moss was great debunking any possible excuse that might have been used, especially pointing out Touch Gold won this race with a worser 1/4 crack then BB/

It's days like this that make me sick to be a horse owner.

I'm extremely disappointed to see that Ricky didn't realize every horse owners or trainers dream - to win the Triple Crown.

It disgusts me to see the crap written about him based on sound bites from the maggot media. It further disgusts me to see the venom spewed by the so called "fans" of the sport who cheer Big Brown's loss.

If Cannon were so lucky as to have a tri-crown horse for DT Stable next year, would we be so lucky as to escape the microscope of the doubting fans? Of course not - the media and the "fans" would find something to hate about us.

If I can have a $5k claimer that wins an N1X and hear wails of "they must have cheated" when I won.... it can just be a brutal sport no matter what you do.

I wanted to see a Triple Crown winner today, I wanted to see my friend win the Triple Crown today, and I wanted to see racing take a step forward today. At the end of the day, I'm left with an empty bag - I haven't felt so disappointed since I dropped a slip on a $32k claimer that fractured a knee, broke down and all I ended up with was an empty halter and a bill to kill the horse after the race.....

He laid an egg. He got stuffed down on the inside, Dedumbeaux rode him like he would win no matter what, and the horse stunk. A combination of his foot, his jockey, the distance, the 3 races so close together....Today the Belmont was once again the Test of Champions....Unfortunately for UPS, Hooters, Trump, IEAH, and any other chalk eater they get a hamsandwich instead of a Triple Crown

how does racing take a step forward with a triple crown winner? will someone explain that?

Belmont is dark tomorrow as NYRA expected low attendance.

I thought that was a dumb thing for Moss to say. Horses, like other athletes, are different. Paul Pierce came back on the court to finish his game the other day. If that would have been Kobe Bryant, he would have done the same. Had it been Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter, they'd be out for a month.

thing is, i don't think it's just a 1/4 crack that the horse is feeling/dealing with.

as for the winstrol-i don't know. cannon says that it wouldn't cause such a change in the horses performance. i think dutrow is full of it when he says he doesn't know why he gives it to the horse, or that there's no change when they don't get it. there's a reason to give it. no doubt chuck could tell more about it then me.
i really think they'll find an abcess or something along those lines in the next few days. i think there's a deeper issue with his front left, that a qc alone wouldn't explain his loss today-he was a completely different horse.

I cant explain it. Wishful thinking i guess. But i also can't understand how Nascar really took off with the death of a racing legend in its most prominent race.
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I think the point he was making was Big Brown's 1/4 crack was not as bad as Touch Gold's and that his connections said it wasn't a problem especially after his good works after the patch. Therefore it cannot be used as an excuse.

Really?

How does a Triple Crown not move the game forward? Media attention, horses going to Disney Land, Iavarone on the tonight show and all that other stuff. Of course a Triple Crown would have moved the game forward, so would policing sales, so would no drugs, so will a lot of other things.

I think Moss and Bailey are showing ignorance by suggesting that a shot of winstrol or lack of could have such a dramatic effect or that they are able to 'rank' quartercracks. (especially when the Doctor on the broadcast says that Winstrol doesnt work that way) They are irresponsible, almost as irresponsible as J. Edwards asking Nick Zito if he would have run his horse with a quarter crack. What kind of question is that? When the supposed 'experts' spew out this crap what do we expect from the mainstream media that isnt supposed to know anything?