just pointing out her 3 grade 1's, champion this and that.....its a paper tiger, she would get drown by the likes of Imperial Gesture who was a pretty average 3yo filly.

no doubt the track moved her up that day, that was her biggest 2 turn race ever, several other front running horses ran out of their eyeballs that day. she has run nothing like that race before or after. same as Hard Spun, War Pass and Indian Blessing.

Might want to look up her PPs, Jim.

As an aside, Lear's Princess is the biggest phony "Grade 1 horse" currently in training next to Shamdinan. She seemed fake before the BC and has done little to suggest otherwise since. She should stick to turf if she's gonna somehow resurrect her career.

you know i have, what is your point?

Aside from her close defeat in the BC, Hystericalady has lost just once (a race she emerged out of with injury) going two turns on conventional dirt. All other races under those conditions have been victories, all by open lengths, including one versus males. I think her Hollywood Oaks victory, numberswise, was the fastest two turn race by a 3yo filly in 2006.

what was her beyer in the distaff?

104 which I believe was her worst dirt figure of the year and her only run in the slop.

What they said

okay then. if she ever runs in another 9 furlong Gr1 i think there will be some surprised people. she has never run a race that fast early, middle, and late. her other good numbers were produced by more favorable set-ups. everything in her pp's tells me that she should have been slowing down much more at Monmouth in the late stages. but like I said she wasn't the only one that never slowed down that day.

The difference with those other frontrunners that held on (Indian Blessing, War Pass, Gotcha Gold, Hard Spun) was that they had things their own way in the early part of the race. Hystericalady broke from the outside post, dueled throughout, and still held sway. If it was solely the track that kept her going the whole time, and not her talent, then I wonder why other seemingly outclassed horses like Hard Spun and Gotcha Gold didn't make much more noise at the finish with more favorablel setups than their rather modest distant 2nd place finishes.

i agree with this and don't claim it was solely the track, but I'm still suspicious of the outcome.

Hard Spun made about as much noise as one could expect, look at how he demolished Street Sense. What made Hard Spun suddenly become this beast that could run 10 furlongs and laugh at Street Sense?

Why wasn't Pyro able to close into those insane fractions and threaten War Pass like he did in the Champagne? As we now know War Pass had distance limitations which certanly weren't evident that day. An example is the Wood where War Pass again ran insane fractions but slowed to a crawl which allowed a horse less talented than Pyro to get by him.

If she wins I think I have to get a duffel bag for the score... DrugS was touted her and she is a super nice filly/mare.. I think the world of her

Street Sense sucks in the slop. That moved him back more than Hard Spun moved up.

Pyro may be the one with distance limitations. I think War Pass is more limited by how hard he's pressed out of the gate.

Reminds me of
 

There was a filly out here in California a few years ago who was big and strong and her name was Manistique. I really really liked her and on her best day she could run really really big. However, in the end she was too inconsistent to be considered really top flight. Its still early for Zenyatta but it would be nice to see her shipped to the SPA this summer.

I think the only races Manistique (coincidentally also trained by John Shireffs) ever lost were outside CA. She was really horrendous elsewhere. Of course, having to run against horses like Banshee Breeze instead of the typical CA pasties will do that for your overall record. She was also a horrendous producer.

At least Zenyatta has got the road trip thing handled.

<throws in the white towel>

solid analogy, some horses dont ship that well, take Sky Beauty for example, when running against NYRA patsies she was awsome ( ;) ) but when shipping she fell apart.

She shipped once....right?

No. Twice.

She lost perhaps her toughest race, the '93 BC Distaff at SA aside from her horrendous '94 effort at Churchill.

Hollywood Wildcat, Paseana, Re Toss, and Dispute finished in front of her that day.

I was actually thinking of 1993 at Santa Anita as I was there.

She was never that fast.

I thought of her KY start first. I had to look it up to see if she made it out to CA. Jerkens seemed like the type who would refuse to ship his horse out here. I think, despite whatever excuses are given at the time, that's why you don't see horses like Java Gold, Mineshaft, and a bunch of Zito horses (Birdstone, Eurosilver, The Cliff's Edge, etc.) in the BC.

And now we'll get two years in a row of more of the same. Of course, with the addition of the synthetic surfaces, we might not even see any shippers aside from KY and Canada.

Mack Miller was wavering with Java Gold after Pat Day cost him the Jockey Club and might well have sent him if he hadn't gotten injured.

Looked as in her physical size or the way she runs races?
Azeri ran away from horses. This big gal waits for exhaustion to set in.

crazy comment, she is moving very fast into slow fractions, there is no fall apart in her efforts, she is winning the way closers are supposed to lose.

Here is an article about Zenyatta at drf.com. It says her next start will be in the $300,000 Grade I Vanity at Hollywood Park on July 5th. And as expected, it says that the major goal for the year will be the BC Distaff.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95123.html

Too bad that only leaves three weeks for the Go For Wand which makes it less likely she ships in for that. And I think Tiago would be more likely to ship out for the Whitney if they were shipping Zenyatta as well. I wonder if they will just skip the Del Mar meet with her since no one seems to like that surface.

Fair point, but I think Tiago has proven he prefers a traditional dirt surface over synthetics. Maybe they pass on the Hollywood Gold Cup in favor of the Whitney with him?

They could do both, there are four weeks in between. In the case of Zenyatta though it is only three weeks so seems very doubtful.