Considering Zanjero was less than a length from winning a Grade I already, and considering the relative weakness of the handicap division, what exactly is so ridiculous about me betting the he can win a Grade I at 10-1 odds?

Trust me, I was not alone in thinking that Street Sense was done after the Preakness. There were columns written by respected turf writers that predicted the same thing.

I'll take an econ class when you take your head out of your A##. Yes over a ten year period the dow has gone up genius. What does that have to do with the economy in 2008. You do know there have been periods over the last 10 yrs when it has gone down within that 10 yr period. The restaurant example was ONE thing. I can give you a ton more. All the retailers are reporting horrible results. CPI/PPI are coming in very high (Your beloved dow is down 190 points today based on disappointment from Home Depot and a hot PPI number...oil now past 129). Take a look at recession proof businesses like Las Vegas/Casinos...they are reporting the worst numbers in years. Their businesses are getting hammered because the economy is not in good shape.

We feed the world? LOL....nice try. Please explain to me how the cost of a weekly trip to the supermarket for the average family has gone up 60%. How is this good ? Here is an article form a month ago...when oil was 15 bucks a barrel cheeper/commodities were cheaper than today.....things have gotten much worse since

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04162008...ock_106752.htm

Do you think the current housing situation is good for the economy? Would love to hear that explanation Einstein. I suppose the whole CDO debacle was great for the big investment banks also?


Go back to making posts about horses you think who are a lock but really cant win.

Not to mention, one of the best indicators of economic health- the old treasury long bonds- are up 13 points off their lows in the last year (and at one point in march, were up 22 points), because nobody wants to hold risky assets in this environment... but the American economy is great

It's neither. It's who likes the surface,and 12f. That's the only that matters. If they both like it,then you can worry about who the better horse is. Usually, there is one horse in the race who likes both of those two things. People usually make fun of him(if he wasn't the favorite.) Not that many horses like this race. If Brown likes the surface, and 12f, then we will have a T.C. Winner. If he doesn't like it, then whoever does like it will get by. They don't have to be that good, either. They just have to like it.

So, in your world, the economy being worse than it was last year or even 5 years ago equals a bad economy?

NO PERSPECTIVE.

Last report I got was the casino's where 99% booked, and the casino's are the only thing making money in this economy.

:)

Why, because our dollar is weak, and vacationers from all over the world are getting great deals.

I wish the mutual pools were filled with people who actually concerned themselves with whether or not different horses liked different dirt surfaces.

Of course, I wish the mutual pools were filled with a lot of the thoughts I read around here. Sadly, they aren't.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of races are won by horses that are faster than others. Jockeys, thankfully, play next to no role in the results ultimately. Horse racing is about the horses in virtually every way.

Also, the media has been scaring people into thinking we are in a recession for over a year, and we have yet to have a single quarter with negative growth. We need two in a row to have a recession.

jerk!!! In the middle of this fine economic think tank of posts above above I have to read this crap about racing..With all the wonderful stuff above enlightening me I should be able to retire soon.

BTW Greenspanites do you want Mad Money(Cramer) Hats so you can dress up like a real Market GURUS?

The only reason we haven't had negative growth is because of the influx of Viagra

Yes, the economy is in great shape

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayof...mom/index.html

I want to adopt the dogs..Or I will buy them from her eitherway a car is no place for a dog to live.

The dogs are gorgeous. Such a sad situation. The woman living with the cats turned to her family for help and all of them turned her down - so sad.

Keynes would be proud. Bravo!

I want the dogs will pay top dollar

Hey leave him alone...at least he is using the space bar and using commas and periods now.

Not for nothing but when you pay 3/4's of your income for housing you are asking for trouble.

Faster than others? It's a cool Andy diatribe, but it works a lot better with the Preakness than the Belmont. There have been 29 Belmonts since the last T.C. Winner's Belmont. There have been 6 favorite winners of those Belmonts. During that time there's been 11 favorites win the Preakness. Even if you were to say that the public did not pick "the fastest" horse as the favorite, then we can go up to say 7/2 odds. Surely "the fastest" horse would usually be 7/2 or less. Well ,the Preakness was won 19 out of the 29 times by a horse 7/2 or less. That race is being won, the majority of the time, by a horse most of the public considers "one of the fast ones." The Belmont has been won 12 out of the last 29 times by one of these 7/2 (or less) type horses. The majority of the last 29 Belmonts have been won by horses that have been 4/1 or higher. In the last twenty-nine runnings of the Belmont, there were 17 horses winning at 4/1 or better. So, in this race, I don't think the majority of the winners are being considered "the fastest" horses by bettors, and you just said the money being bet in pools is usually bet more wisely than you would like. So, in the majority of the Belmonts, they are betting the "fastest horses," and getting beat regularly by horses who are 4/1 or higher. Like I said, this race will be won by the horse who likes the track,and the 12f distance. Maybe it's gunna be won by one we think is the fastest, and maybe it won't be. Only 12 out of 29 have been 7/2 or less. Obviously, in recent history, those considered "fastest" aren't winning the majority of the Belmonts.

While usually true, a 12f race is often a jockey's race.

Ya think?

Prado-Sarava-big price

Prado-Bird Droppings-big price

Fans were disgusted by them even showing up.

I don't know, I've done pretty well betting the Belmont over the years, but I probably just lucked into betting the great jockeys ( I never even know who the hell is riding the horses I bet on ) and the horses that loved the dirt at Belmont.

Look, there are a lot of ways to look at the game, and just because I, or anyone, pays one aspect no mind doesn't make it necessarily irrelevent. I just read way too much excuse making on message boards, and superfluous excuse making at that, that I have come to feel, with good reason, that most people seem to spend way too much of their time worrying about inconsequential factors....or worse yet completely misunderstanding what has gone on. As a general rule, I believe in making decisions based on what I have seen in the past, rather than worrying about what I can't know in the future.

FTFY.

Well it is a good thing people use different criteria or everyone would be betting the same horse.

You have Allen Jerkens on your side, but I am amazed at how trainers work with trainers agents so much considering many think jockeys don't matter.

Personally I think the exercise riders in the morning are more valuable than jockeys.

You get no argument from me on that.

Plus, I would always love to have Allen Jerkens on my side....though, frankly, he already is.

If I am down to two horses and I like them equally, I will then look at the jockey and that will be my determing factor. However, it rarely gets to that point. I don't look at jock or m/l odds unless I am at a complete loss. And if I am at a loss, then I usually sit the race out.

Did you read the story?

WSJ is a fine paper. I prefer the IBD and WSJ to any other publication. But the story is good. It isn't a commentary on the economy. Just a story of women living in their cars.

owners still think they matter

Jesus Christ you cant be this ignorant.

I have already given you plenty of examples of why we are in a bad economy.

I feel like I am trying to explain this to a 6 yr old.

We're in a bad economy, but now is the time to buy ...

History shows that every time we've been in a recession, the market comes back at a record high. Here's to hoping ... :)

I read a nasty report about the revenues from the LV Casinos. While they are making money, their profits are down big across the board.

But this is also probably a positive according to Justindew Bernanke.

You have given me zero examples showing that we are in a bad economy. What you have given me are examples showing that the economy is not as good as it once was. You're inability to understand this important distinction is why you are a moron.

Also, you're an idiot.

In my nightmare's there is always a discussion on the strength of the economy between Peter, Cajun, and JustinDew.

My dreams mainly just consist of me being eaten alive by a pack of lions.

Well, let's see here. Geedubbya gave the o.k. to send many people on Social Security an extra $300 check. I think it must be pretty fkd up.

If we didn't have the media to tell us when things are wrong, no one would be complaining.

Americans aren't capable of thinking for themselves, by and large.