Reminds me of when you compared Giacomo to Big Brown. . .

To quote a previous post about Indian Blessing, Tale of Ekati would need a bus ticket to get 12 furlongs.

i think you're oversimplifying what i was saying.

I don't know why he doesn't run him in the Woody Stephens.

He could win the Belmont if they ran it in two 6F heats.....and Big Brown scratched.

Pretty much. How the connections watched this horse finish in the Wood and in the Derby and thought "more distance", I don't quite understand.

I think Tagg is a great trainer....but doesn't it always seem like he thinks his horses want to go a distance of ground?

It will be very hard for me to watch Tomshito get drilled again

He really is ridiculous.

When has he ever lifted a hoof?

they'll be around. i read yesterday that he 'badly flipped' his palate...how do you badly flip it? it's either where it belongs or it's not, right? anyway, an excuse for his followers for his last.

He could play the role of spolier if he, Big Brown, and Casino Drive all engaged early and set the tables for a longshot plodder from the back of the pack.

That's a good point. Now that I think of it, I can't remember the last successful sprinter he campaigned.

The only money to be gained is on the exacta and other bets.....

the turn of foot when bbrown hits the burners is nothing short of amazing...

I have been involved in this game for 20+ years and have not seen the burst that this horse puts out.... of course at this point we need to see who is in it.... but for me.... (and I am a very tough sell) Big Brown IS the horse....

we have all become a bet against group since it's been so damn long since we have had a TC winner..... but watch the replays at the top of the stretch from the derby and the preakness..... it is almost amazing when the afterburners kick in..... I have sent a few messages out today about the distance factor... waiting to get them replied to and will reply what I hear...
but for me .... we have a special one here.... Ichibod and Anak have a few factors in their corners.... and at this point fill out my tri....

just my opinion at this point.... good luck at the windows and have a blessed Memorial Day weekend..... Swede...... errrrrr .... Willie

Don't you think the visually impressive turn of foot is a little misleading considering the embarrassing level of competition he's facing?

maybe it's just me, but i don't see anything amazing about big browns ability, or his turn of foot. hell, my dog would look like she had a quick turn of foot vs this group of 3 yo's. i think afleet alex would be comparable, and i don't think he was anything incredible or special.
but then, just think if alex had won the derby and preakness like he did the preakness and belmont. there'd have been 1374 threads about him and his sure tc win leading up to the race in new york.

Just think Danzig, it may not stop there. Wait until he wins, that's when all the tradition loons will start another 1,000 threads about how he's not deserving, conspriacy theories, he's actually a robot, etc. etc. etc. In kind of reminds me of Oracle talking about the Yankees.

I'll stick around until June 8th only to see some of the crazy posts the day after, then after that I'll take a sabbatical until Saratoga. Hopefully by then some of the dust will have settled.

Why can't we just enjoy it for what it is? Sure there are lots of stupid BB threads but so what. If your sick of it don't read them. Winning the TC is a difficult task no matter what your facing. As far as his connections go, who cares? People were saying the same thing about Curlin last year, now he's everyones favorite.
On Saturday I went to Venon Downs to watch KNS and there was a VERY old man sitting at the table next to me. I asked him if he though BB would win the TC. His response: "I sure as hell hope so, I want to see one more Triple Crown winner before I die." Here is a guy that has probably been a race fan for 50 or 60 years. I will be rooting for BB for that old man.

a lot of people are enjoying what it is. some are going overboard however. i have always maintained it is best to decide what a horse was years later. if bb wins the tc, it sets him apart, absolutely. but the four most recent tc winners were special in ways other than the tc, both before and after that series. now, the way secretariat won it set him apart. but he had already had a fantastic season at two, and did quite a bit after.
the tc alone did not make those horses great, so why should anyone be referrring to big brown as being on the cusp of joining them? i think so many, who didn't get a chance to see a really great horse run and win, are too quick to anoint a possible 'savior' far too quickly. so you have what you have right now. a lot of people have seen great-but when they try to interject a little balance, try to keep things out of the realm of hysteria, they're accused of belittling big brown.

as for curlin, no, not everyone likes him. he's benefitting from the novelty of staying at four, and winning a very soft running of the dwc. is he the top older horse? absolutely. but lawyer ron was last year, so competition is a huge part of it.
but i think curlin would dust big brown, fwiw. in my mind, not much at this point.

Zig hit the nail on the head on turn of foot. I'd suggest we've had at least a few 3YO's over the last five years that were as push button as Big Brown is.

Love JV on Anak Nakal. I'm feeling him in the exacta.

yeh right jv moves any horse up 12 lenths:eek: :rolleyes:

Come on Hooves! A man can dream a week out of the Belmont!!!

And by dream I mean getting some sort of price behind BB.

you may be right the way ive been seeing belmont...:cool:

I saw Anak Nakal the other day. He looked great.

....but did he look fast?

I've never been a big fan but someone told me he had a big trip in the Derby. I'll have to watch it again.

It wasn't the fat man was it?

Now you have my curiosity up and I'm going to have to give the Derby another look.

Anak Nakal could've been airlifted to the finish line and he still would've lost. I don't give horses who were hopelessly overmatched much credit for bad trip sevenths.

"ANAK NAKAL outrun four wide, advanced seven wide after seven furlongs and improved his position while no real threat."

Pretty much his comment line for every race.

A trip is a trip....whether the horse is hopeless or not. All a trip shows is that a horse ran better ( or worse ) than it looks on paper.

Take the time from your oh-so-busy life, it's between periods of the hoop game, and actually watch the phucking race. Who knows, you might learn something.

It's Anak Nakal. I've watched the race and I didn't notice any trouble. He wasn't going to run much better than he did. He runs the same race every time. Avoid the pace and pass some tired horses to finish a non-threatening fourth or fifth or seventh.

Not sure what my friend was talking about. He was carried out into the lane but he seemed to have a seemless trip otherwise and was just too slow.

I hope he does well, obviously, but I don't see it.

I wish I didn't have anything to learn about the game.

Because I know Anak Nakal sucks and that he didn't have a bad trip, that means I think that I have nothing to learn? You just said yourself there was nothing wrong with his trip, what's the problem with me saying it?

Because I watched it carefully....and you quoted the chart ( not a great idea in general ).

One of my basic tenets of handicapping is to leave no available stone unturned. I do the work. A lot of it is drudgery, no doubt, but you have to find things out for yourself. It's often irrelevent for that specific instance but it can be very helpful for another situation.

It's really a question of how much you want to learn. I understand, I'm obsessive, and this is my life, but because of that I'm not going to be tolerant in a conversation about specifics with someone who isn't willing to even get on the playing field.

I quoted the chart because I've watched the race a million times and I'm not going to spend five minutes dissecting the flawless trip of a crappy horse who finished seventh in the Derby and has no shot in the Belmont.

Where did I say "Here's what the chart says, so I don't need to watch the race"?

You're sticking your heels in instead of listening to what I'm saying.

It's not really about Anak Nakal.