what was so odd about that ..wicked style this horse looked like he would not do well..

a] change in surface..holy bull not exactly sadlers wells
b] didnt run a step at the bc
c]his highest beyer was an 88
d] off sence octo7
c] huge drop in class...vote of no confidence
e] robbie alberato...
c] other speed in race.......

No one should write off Wicked Style because of that run. Why they put the horse on grass, I haven't the faintest..

basic math

5
15
15
3
100
--------
= 138 Wagered
if you can't get $dollar DDs then you wagered $161

return
220


to be honest the race was below expectations. We didn't get the big pace duel. Who cares what bobby fischer did Hooves? What about the race? I talk about the race, I get criticised for not having a "pick", then I offer live wagers and turn a profit, even with the race going topsy-turfy.

do you want some reaction? I don't get it. Lets talk about the races.

I still think A.P. Excellent is weak. He had things his own way and could only manage 2nd. I don't know that there was a lot to bet back in this race.

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Should have noticed that Bridgmohan stuck with Faith's Magic rather than Winyah. Couldn't believe Winyah was on the pace and appeared quite rank in doing so. Winyah might be a bet back with different tactics next time out.

One of those two horses was 73-1, and I don't know what Winyah's excuse was, but it's not as if Faith's Magic came from the clouds to win. I'd say the pace was average.

Be careful about using that kind of statement on here. It's apparently frowned upon to have your own expectation and to be disappointed when they aren't reached.

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I agree with what you are saying. I'll conceed that he was wider than you want to be going into the first turn.
Wait On Tate didn't really affect the race IMO. Maybe a Winyah fan could argue he hampered that one a little. Maybe. Winyah was dueling with Tate, but I'm not sure Winyah was ever making a big winning threat on the front.

A.P. kind of loped along and by the time he got to even terms, WateTate was finished. Winyah was finished.

At that point in the race A.P. had the jump on everyone, and no one even challenged other than Faith's Magic.

It wasn't a terrible race from AP(no one else really ran much better) but I feel like if the class goes up or if he faces pace pressure from an actual win candidate he could be exposed.

They were probably expecting the other speed to BREAK DOWN, as was the case is his last race. Can only get lucky once, I guess.:rolleyes:

Do me a favor. Stop quoting Fischer.

this guy "the_fat_man" is hilarious

obviously he has talent. Borderline genius. But the last good one he gave out was Jibboom in the raven run fall of '07.


What is his limitation?




He has that big mouth set at mulish obstinate level, but this guy should be so far ahead on the ponies he should be BS'ing on a hi-def audio by liquid crystal display live&Direct from his video replay THEATER.

I don't know, I would really go to-to-toe with fatboy and anyone else. I have that much confidence. but I really don't see where the hate and envy comes from. To be honest it's a blessing to have some health and opportunity to discuss this game with others who put their energy into it.

are you really sure about envy?

Brilliant. You still don't see where you contradicted yourself.

You said Magnificience did not run a disappointing race. In the very same sentence, you said she failed to meet your expectations with her race.

If the definition of disappoint = failure to meet expectations of someone (you), then that sentence is a contradiction.

Needless nitpicking? Yes. But when you're trying to give everyone else on the thread the high-hat, you ought to check your wording carefully lest you look foolish.

I watched Donovan Bailey run 100m in 9.84 seconds, setting a world record. I watched Maurice Green run it in 9.79 seconds, setting a world record. Both times, the men came away saying that they were disappointed in their races because they felt that they didn't run their best and were capable of better. I'm not sure what is so hard for you to understand here. I expected her to run away and look as good as I saw her last year. She didn't. So that means that she didn't meet my expectations. But in the grand scheme of things, she didn't run that bad a race, a pretty decent time on a new track and surface. Perhaps if you had wanted to just say that my expectations may have been too high, that we may have agreed on. But as you said, this was just needless nitpicking at something that wasn't really confusing at all.

The good question is who ran with the most drugs in their system. I'd put Maurice Greene as the slight favorite over Donovan Bailey and the Headley Mag.

Sniper, I consider u a smart guy. Does it seem so ridiculous to you how I could have thought she ran a decent/good race but still been disappointed by it?

While I've thought plenty of things you have said are ridiculous this is one I definitely agree with. She was a shell of her former self and unless she moves way up in her next race she deserves no more mention than whatever crappy stakes Brass Hat is running in.

The assertion that Wicked Style was taking a "huge drop in class" is very primitive, inaccurate and not shared by any competent handicapper. BBB

Is it at all possible to get a full "rehash?" Of this race? Of the American Idol season? Your breakfast today? I'm jonesing bad for a rehash.

BC Juvenile to an N2X allowance.

Not a drop... right.

Hey STS, can you read me yesterday's newspaper today? I need a rehash.

On the surface, that's correct. But what if a horse was vastly overmatched in his previous race and it wasn't a correct indication of his class? For example, Rick's Natural Star. Remember him? Just because he ran in the BC Turf didn't mean that he was of that level and so if he had come back in a claimer next out, would he have been taking a class drop or would it have been a case of going back to where he belongs?

I get what you're saying, you don't earn bonus points for getting blasted in a higher class race, but that's a pretty extreme example, KG. Wicked Style was the 3rd or 4th choice in the BC Juvy off a G1 win, not some ridiculous joke of an entry.

and the grade one win before that...you and bbb should really get some help.

Goodness, you too now? I wasn't agreeing with that guy or talking about this instance. I was talking in general. A friend of mine always uses that same logic in his handicapping. He'll look at the pp's and see the company line and say "he's been running with xx and xx so he's way better than these" and I sometimes have to remind him that he wasn't running with them, he just happened to be in the same race. He was beaten by 42.