in 2096 the replays will be in holographic form with every drf..though the cost will be about 550.bucks in euros...;)

Now that's funny.

:D :D

They are often way off base

Seriously, you guys are amazing. Remember when Andy had his "time off" because posting here was more work than it was worth. Well, people like you are the reason. Where in ANY of my posts did I ever say I didn't know? I may have said that I thought the 1 mile races were actually 1 mi and 70 yrds on the Inner at AQU, but I never said I didn't know which races were 1 or 2 turns. Read the posts before becoming all elitest. I said it would be a welcome addition to the PP's. Seriously, what would be the harm. This way I wouldn't have to explain it to whomever I am with that day that doesn't spend 5-6 days a week watching horseracing. You pick out one freaking thing people say a harp on it to no end. How about the other points? CLOSER LOOK is f'in lame...argue that...They can't even put in the pertinant Trainer stats consistantly...argue that...is there harm in putting the m/l in the actual PP's? What the hell are peoples problem on this board. Mr "I know every track configuration in the country, you should too" DaHoss, doesn't like one thing I say and I'm a slacker...Get real people...

Thank You and I have a RaceReplays account. It is very useful...

No Luv for Pletch will love this


""There?s no pace in the race other than SAVYS DELITE; she can get a clear lead, and the Polytrack tries we see showing all came in sprints, while she may be better at this one-turn mile trip; hasn?t yet run fast enough to win at this class level, but with the right trip, she could improve enough to contend at long odds "

from analysis of Saturdays 4th at AP. I guess I would have more respect for his opinion if he handicapped the race knowing it was a 2 turn 1 1/16th race rather than a 1 turn mile race. But I suppose you get what you pay for.

Great find Chuck. There is probably something along these lines multiple times a day...mailing it in...

Here's another one from the genius that brought us the comments I refered to in my initial post...

"he has fired well in 7 previous Belmont Park defeats"

the horse's record over the track is 7 starts 0-4-0

okay where do I start, the horse is 0-7 at Belmont, how do the words "fired well" even enter your mind...
also, last time this animal visited Belmont, the only race in his visible PP's, he was just nipped, finishing 6th, beaten 22 3/4 lengths...

you can't make this stuff up

what was the horses record at other tracks? without that information its tough to say whether or not the description of firing well at Belmont is accurate or not. at a low enough level that might be accurate.

you've already stated that you disagree and find inaccurate information in the "a closer look" comments, my question then is why do you take the time to read it?

the horse has run in stakes races in 9 of it's last 12 races and has earned nearly 400K...he has finished in the exacta in more than half of his races...

in response to your second question, aren't we all looking for as much information as possible? isn't that why people pay $35 for what amounts to speed figures?

.....urrr old;)

i think gas was .64 when i started driving.......im old 2:( ..........remember the racing times? i think that was what it was called. that was awesome.

the Belmont record you gave was 4 seconds in 7 tries, 57% in the exacta, and you say they were stakes races. what's wrong with calling that firing well at Belmont?

I remember my Dad filling-up at the local Gulf station for .18 /gal

my fave is when in the comments they say something like the horse or trainer is worth choosing today because he is 50% at such and such, then you go to look it up and he is 1 for 2

enjoyed racing times but it didnt last long at all--
gas in so fla

1964 29 cents gal
1998 98 cent gal
today 3.89

son of a ---------------------

Are you serious? Do you people have to argue everything...the guy said:

HE HAS FIRED WELL IN 7 PREVIOUS BELMONT PARK DEFEATS and he lost his last race over the track by almost 23 lengths...how can you even argue this?

and I didn't say the 7 BEL races were stakes races, I said of his last 12 races, 9 of them were stakes races, and only 1 of those was at BEL...

when I post on this site, does my font change to Chinese?

how much good information is contained in those little blurbs? very little. 3-4 little snippets at best, from one person? i don't think many people are buying the form for the valuable info contained in the "a closer look" comments. the value is in the pp's and speed figures.

Whinese is more like it! *Rimshot*

so it should have said fired well in most Belmont starts, what is the big deal?

you are the one that started the thread arguing about how bad the drf has become, and then give flimsy reasons.

if you're hanging on every word written in the closer look you need lots of help, beyond what the form can provide.

especially if you still don't know which tracks have 1 turn miles.

I still don't get the analogy.

can you put it in terms of bacon?

Sure...you used to buy bacon for $4 a pound...good, meaty bacon, that held it's form when you cooked it...now they are giving you a lot more bacon, say a pound and a half, but are charging you $5.50 and when you cook it, it shrivels up like a shrinky dink.

Get it now?

My Form doesn't shrivel up when I cook it.

That's because it comes pre-shriveled...

And that folks, has been my point from the beginning...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scav
My only thing with it is I wish I would go to white paper, instead of newspaper. I don't get it because I end up getting ink all over my face by about the 5th race.


If you're pressing the Form to your face, you're not using it right.
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Blood, sweat and tears....lots and lots of tears, baby!!!!!

We NEED waterproof ink in the form. I think that is one of the things Hilary is promising in her campaign.....:D

Just get the online version for $3.50 and do your homework the night before. Or if it is logistical, bring your laptop to the track. BRIS is cheaper actually. Get them.

How come the DRF can't list if a horse is a First Time Gelding? Prime Ruler just popped on Sunday at a $75 mutuel after going under the knife. If the rule in CAL is that trainer has to notify the racing office 72 hrs in advance it should be able to make it in the form. Also, a FTG or some other acronym should be noted in the PP. If there is one thing I would like added to the DRF it would be this.

California Horse Racing Board
State of California
Display of Rule No. 1865 , "Altering of Sex of Horse."

Rule No. Rule Title
1865 Altering of Sex of Horse.
Rule Text Any alteration to the sex of a horse from the sex as recorded on the Certificate of Foal Registration or the Eligibility Certificate or other official registration certificate of such horse shall be reported to the Racing Secretary and the Official Horse Identifier if such horse is registered to race at any race meeting. (a) Should the gelding or castration of a race horse be performed on the premises of a licensed racing association, the trainer shall report the same within 72 hours. (b) Should the gelding or castration of a race horse be performed off the premises of a licensed racing association and the horse has been previously registered to race at any race meeting in this State, the owner and/or trainer shall report the same at the time the horse is next registered to race. (c) Any such report will include the name of the veterinarian performing the alteration and the date of the alteration, and shall be recorded on the official registration certificate and the Official Horse Identification record of such horse. NOTE: Authority cited: Sections 19420, 19440, 19460 and 19562, Business and Professions Code. HISTORY: 1. New rule filed 7-11-75; effective 8-10-75.

I've asked Steve Crist the same question you posed and he said that the information is not available when they print the pp's.

I don't understand why there is all the nitpicking about this fine paper. Sure it stinks that the price is $5.50 on newstands but they have to cover the costs of manufacturing and distributing the paper. I use Formy 4.1 most of the time and it's worth its weight in gold. I have a laser printer and buy rebuilt printing cartridges so I can print hundreds of cards before I need a new cartridge. Once I have the card printed I use Formy 4.1 to look up the charts and at times trainer info.

I prefer Formy 4.1 but the print paper is fine. The main difference is I have to look up charts in my archives for the last three when I buy the print edition.
Nonetheless I always buy a next day Form when I go to Belmont or Saratoga.

Frankel's money burning 6 horse in the 1st at Hollywood on 5/16 is a FTG (gelded on 04/19/08 according to the Cal Vet List Report) and DRF can't get this info in the form? Seems like a real lame excuse, at least for Cal this info is available, why it isn't in the form is beyond me.

That's a good question and that is why I asked Mr. Crist the same question. I think more people should take the time to write or call drf about this topic. DRF is horseplayer friendly publication. If more of their customers ask about first time geldings they might go the extra mile to add it to their paper.

He's listed as a gelding in the DRF, but with the info given you have no clue when he was gelded. DRF's database should have shown that he was a colt for the 4/12 start and is now a gelding, some notation in the form should show this.

You are preaching to the choir. Make a post on Steve Crist's blog. cristblog.drf.com . Write a letter to the editor.

But here's one reason you might not want this specfic info publicized.
If you know a horse is a FTG and most of the bettors do not. That's an edge which you have over your competition.

Be grateful you can still get the DRF in its entirety. My local OTB (Colonial Downs in Vinton, VA) stopped having it delivered. We now have a kiosk that we print the cards off for $1 per track. I'd love to have the option to pay $5.50 for the entire form.

I'll be buying the printed edition (if I can find one) today for Saturday. First time getting one since Sumwonlovesyou ran the second time for us (over a year ago) I usually get the printed PP's online eiher through DRF or the freebies that Capital OTB used to send me.

The gelding situation has been explained endlessly....but I will do it for the 567th time.....


Providing information that is right SOME of the time is far worse than not providing it at all. The very simple fact is that gelding information is provided by the Jockey Club and a very poor job is done reporting this information. Some jurisdictions, like California, do a great job, while some, like Florida, do a terrible job. As the system stands now it is impossible for DRF to get the information anywhere close to accurately thus they cannot provide it reliably.

It is the system that needs to be changed, and I strongly believe it should be, but until that is done DRF cannot responsibly provide information that is not 100% accurate.

The DRF has always done well by me. Prices increase. That's economics.
I guess when I'm betting hundreds of dollars over a course of a day, I'm not really thinking about the $5.50. I guess I equate that to someone driving around the area of Nelson Avenue for a half hour trying to save a dollar or two on parking when they are about to bet a few hundred bucks.

i don't use the form on a regular basis, although I like to pick one up on Saturdays to read at breakfast. but what I don't get is the idea that its overpriced. it comes to less than $1 a card, and you get very good pp's, commentary, analysis, features. i think its a great bargain. of course if you play a lot there are other ways you can go but still, not a bad deal if you ask me.