The casual fan won't know who Better Than Honour is. They will just look at the program and think..."Oh look it's Big Brown the Derby winner...I'll bet on him!" I think there will be some sort of value on Casino Drive.

The casual fan will know exactly who Better than Honour is ... the media will hype it all day long, I'm sure.

I know that some define value as public odds better than your own estimation of the horse's true odds. But 5-2 just doesn't do it for me.

Looks like the fig on the Darley runner, Unbridled's Heart, will be very slightly higher than Casino Drive.

With a 5.75 second difference in a one-turn Belmont Route at those distances - isn't the Peter Pan supposed to get a number 5 points faster?

I think if you look at the 10th race you could make a case that the track speeded up a little bit.

I thought I said that already.

My thoughts watching were the maiden was more impressive. I only looked at the longer races to get a quick measure, will look at the whole card tomorrow.

But did you say it in the form of a question?

You are correct...I merely stated it as fact.

Did you watch the headon closely; especially on the backstretch?

No, just the live feed. He won so easy I'm not sure I'll ever watch that head on. What am I missing?

Un H 100
C D 99

2nd time starter running right up against the rail, had to be worst part of the track, till he entered the stretch; probably did at least half the backstretch lefty, as well. I realize he saved ground while the 5 was outside.

Kent is either the most confident jock out there or he's nuts. He almost never rides the rail (not like this) and he can't be that familiar with this horse to trust him the way he did.

do they run clockwise or counter in Japan?

My mistake, thought you meant the other horse from the 5th.

Haven't posted here in awhile, but I had to after Casino Drive.......although why am I not surprised that he didn't get that good of a Beyer ? Wouldn't you think that running 1:47 and change would be sufficient for at least triple digits?

I think this is a case where the numbers don't tell the whole story. Casino Drive hadn't run in almost two months, had to deal with an extremely long trip and also quarantine. His trainer didn't even feel that he'd be all that sharp today. I was pretty much WOW'D by his race.......He didn't break well at all, but the colt just dragged Kent up into the race; you could tell he had running on his mind. Then, he went between horses like it was no big deal and took off - no loafing, no cause for worry, no anything. Casino Drive looked great in the paddock and was full of life, bucking several times, but I didn't think he'd run like that (though I hoped he would in my dreams).

line of the day. fits right in with the vanned off/ups remark in another thread from yesterday. ( i think it was yesterday, maybe day before).

I think the horse needs to go for the "IMPLANT" Beyer. I'm sure the connections can afford it.

I think it's a mistake to get caught up in the fig. If Throat is correct and there is a split varient it was still a fine performance by Casino Drive. These were not top quality horses he faced today but he was impressive in how he defeated the competition. Especially since it was his 2nd career race and first race in the US. He looks like a real racehorse with upside potential and should give Big Brown a challenge should the big horse take care of business next week.

also answered the question of whether casino drive would handle the belmont surface.
i doubt the small field some felt would materialize in a few weeks will really occur, much like the preakness is shaping up much larger than originally thought.

Come on.

what? i've always been under the impression that some don't like it. of course, he may not like it much when the water gets deeper!!

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.

but then you have horses for courses, so who knows?

like "id allways hoped in my dreams he would."........barf bag needed........

Maybe you have horses for courses. I don't.

The last half is DEAD ON.

I think even the layman can tell when a horse isn't handling a particular track by the way it's striding.

war pass tampa..nuff siad

there was a horse not too long ago who only won at belmont, no where else. i could see betting him there, but with his record elsewhere, you'd be crazy to include him. that's not a horse for a course?

two questions;

did DeSormeaux say that Casino Drive was the best horse he has ever ridden,
and
is Tomcito now officially off the triple crown trail?

Proud Spell, KEE.

Tomcito is a riot. Some people will believe anything.

Anybody want to school me on the trainer of Casino Drive?

The hell it is.

do you remember a horse named 'dance in the mood'? she came over from japan to run in the american oaks, and finished second (by sunday silence btw). she came back a year later and took the cashcall-set a new record as well. this guy trained her. man, she was fun to watch-even if only twice.

i did a quick search on this guy, top trainer 11 times in japan according to the article i scanned. he had zenno rob roy, symboli kris s--nice horses.

Here's a crazy thought. If the Japanese come for the Belmont and send it in like they did for El Condor Pasa in the Arc a few years ago, could Casino Drive be favored in the Belmont over a Big Brown going for a Triple Crown sweep?

Also, I'm sure the trainer's phone was ringing off the hook immediately after the race, with agents looking to secure the mount. Any sense as to whether they will use an American rider or will Take come for the ride (assuming Desormeaux may be otherwise tied up)?

Horses for courses is an overused cliche but it's true with certain horses.
Silver Train nearly broke the track record for six and a half the first time he ran at Belmont on July 2,2005. He followed that up with winning the BC Sprint and Met Mile the following year.

Ahh, I do remember the cashcall. I believe that was one of the many races where Dancin Edie cost me money.

Sounds like he is in good hands. Thanks.

Not to get in the middle of this great debate but I wanted to throw my opinion in. I think it is absolutely great that the japanese brought this colt over to try and win '3 in a row' with siblings. Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.

Unless I don't know what the real reason is....

Is the moon full tonight?