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atolunch 05-07-2008 08:04 PM

Am I the only one in the world that thinks Behindatthebar warrants taking a look at?

We all know BB had a dominant performance at the Derby, but we all also know he has bad feet, has run 4 lifetime races, and obviously never run twice in two weeks.

ArlJim78 05-07-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by atolunch
Am I the only one in the world that thinks Behindatthebar warrants taking a look at?

We all know BB had a dominant performance at the Derby, but we all also know he has bad feet, has run 4 lifetime races, and obviously never run twice in two weeks.

For lower exotics yes. I think he is better than many people think. However I don't see him as a win candidate here.

CSC 05-08-2008 11:00 AM

I sorta agree with Dutrow. As mentioned in the piece Harlem Rocker could still make the Plate after the Preakness. As Alydeed who finished 2nd in the Preakness did. It's a big jump up from the Withers but he ran by a good horse loose on the lead pretty nonchalantly. It would atleast give the race much needed drama.

In Daily Racing Form, BIG BROWN'S trainer Rick Dutrow was discussing the May 17 Preakness..

Dutrow already is sizing up the prospective opposition for the 1 3/16-mile race. He said "Pletcher's white horse" - Harlem Rocker, the Withers Stakes winner trained by Todd Pletcher - is the only one that concerns him, but otherwise, a horse to upset Big Brown "is going to have to be a really good one."

HARLEM ROCKER is 80% owned by Stronach Stables and 20% by Adena Racing Venture II, the 2nd of 3 syndicate packages of 6 horses offered by Adena Springs.
According to Adena, there are no Canadian owners in the 20% but there sure a lot of fellow bloggers out there who have little pieces of the grey colt.

If Harlem Rocker passes up the Plate Trial, that race will surely be wide open (the Marine Stakes for 3yo's, open company is up next but could have an American-bred winner).
Then, if the Rocker comes for the June 22 Plate after his Preakness attempt, it will make the Plate quite intriguing.

lemoncrush 05-09-2008 08:53 AM

I realize this post has absoutely no merit, but strictly hyptothetically speaking:

If the owners thought that the triple crown was too tough of a task for Big Brown to achieve (based more on the 3 races in 5 weeks and his fragile feet, more than the competition of course), how cool would it be to have him stay stabled at Churchill and face Curlin in the Stephen Foster next month?

Obviously they have far more to gain for him to continue to beat up on 3-year olds and possibly achieve legendary status as the first triple crown winner in ages. But for fans wanting a race between the 2 best colts in the country, this is probably the only opportunity for it to happen.

I realize any 3-yo facing older in stakes competition this early in the year is up against it, whether it's Curlin or whomever. But, it's fun to think about.

freddymo 05-09-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
I realize this post has absoutely no merit, but strictly hyptothetically speaking:

If the owners thought that the triple crown was too tough of a task for Big Brown to achieve (based more on the 3 races in 5 weeks and his fragile feet, more than the competition of course), how cool would it be to have him stay stabled at Churchill and face Curlin in the Stephen Foster next month?

Obviously they have far more to gain for him to continue to beat up on 3-year olds and possibly achieve legendary status as the first triple crown winner in ages. But for fans wanting a race between the 2 best colts in the country, this is probably the only opportunity for it to happen.

I realize any 3-yo facing older in stakes competition this early in the year is up against it, whether it's Curlin or whomever. But, it's fun to think about.

Nothing worse then when someone doesn't share there drugs.. I will PM my address.. Wow I can't wait to try the stuff

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-09-2008 09:13 AM

if yankee bravo is going to hit the board .paddy g should get a local jock..pino
rose ..solis has almost never ridden this horse well at home .yet at pim a local guy may get him in the money..

freddymo 05-09-2008 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
if yankee bravo is going to hit the board .paddy g should get a local jock..pino
rose ..solis has almost never ridden this horse well at home .yet at pim a local guy may get him in the money..

I get it the jockey will make the horse go faster...

NoLuvForPletch 05-09-2008 09:36 AM

Where is Hey Byrn?

Coach Pants 05-09-2008 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Where is Hey Byrn?

Still embarrassed over the last race. Won't come out of his stall.

NoLuvForPletch 05-09-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Still embarrassed over the last race. Won't come out of his stall.

Why should he be embarrassed? If you aren't going to run in a race carded for 1 3/16 (THE PREAKNESS) after winning a race at 1 3/16 (THE HOLY BULL) where are you going to run?

Coach Pants 05-09-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Why should he be embarrassed? If you aren't going to run in a race carded for 1 3/16 (THE PREAKNESS) after winning a race at 1 3/16 (THE HOLY BULL) where are you going to run?

The race was real slow? He has not shot in the Preakness?

NoLuvForPletch 05-09-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The race was real slow? He has not shot in the Preakness?

sure, but he's run a lot faster than that...and it was 2 weeks after the Fla Derby...it'll be 5 weeks to the Preakness...

slotdirt 05-09-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
He has not shot in the Preakness?

He has NOT shot in Preakness. I like!

Kasept 05-09-2008 11:35 AM

Ichabad Crane added to Preakness...
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/article/45133.htm

Kasept 05-09-2008 11:55 AM

HEY BYRN is a Preakness 'go'...

blackthroatedwind 05-09-2008 12:19 PM

It's Icabad Crane. No H.

Coach Pants 05-09-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
He has NOT shot in Preakness. I like!

Too many Bloody Mary's at the Country Club this morning.

Kasept 05-09-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's Icabad Crane. No H.

Olde English... ;)

NoLuvForPletch 05-09-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
HEY BYRN is a Preakness 'go'...

Bea must be on the board!

Better Than Honour 05-09-2008 01:01 PM

If Harlem Rocker works well this weekend he is going to the Preakness. Got that from some Stronach people. Shocking considering he owns the track. You have to think the people at NYRA are pushing Pletcher to go North.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-09-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Olde English... ;)

800

Kasept 05-09-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
If Harlem Rocker works well this weekend he is going to the Preakness. Got that from some Stronach people. Shocking considering he owns the track. You have to think the people at NYRA are pushing Pletcher to go North.

Funny that those Stronach people forgot to mention that Harlem Rocker will be running in the Queen's Plate June 22nd, five weeks after the possible Preakness start. (As opposed to the Belmont June 7, two weeks before the Queen's Plate).

zippyneedsawin 05-09-2008 01:23 PM

may not be a bunch of world beaters in there (save BB), but it's no walkover with a field that's nearly full--at this point.

slotdirt 05-09-2008 01:27 PM

The fuller the field, the more variables to throw in the equation. I still don't see a horse that can beat him, though Hey Byrn was quite impressive earlier this spring prior to the Florida Derby flop.

-BT- 05-09-2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
may not be a bunch of world beaters in there (save BB), but it's no walkover with a field that's nearly full--at this point.


after that derby performance i thought for sure it was gonna be a light field, but these guys are throwing darts at him now. What this field lacks quality it makes up for in quantity

-bt-

NoLuvForPletch 05-09-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
The fuller the field, the more variables to throw in the equation. I still don't see a horse that can beat him, though Hey Byrn was quite impressive earlier this spring prior to the Florida Derby flop.

I wouldn't exactly call finishing 4th a flop

hockey2315 05-09-2008 01:48 PM

I would.

NoLuvForPletch 05-09-2008 01:58 PM

You all crack me up...the horse was fourth choice and finished fourth (not fourteenth and Zito might say)...

He was a lot further back in that race that he had been in his previous races...he put in a decent enough run before flattening out...

hockey2315 05-09-2008 02:01 PM

If I had his PPs in front of me my response would be:

"He was beaten X number of lengths with a Y beyer. . ."

Kasept 05-09-2008 02:32 PM

Riley Tucker to the Preakness...

Macho Uno heads for OH Derby...

Harlem Rocker the last "?"...

ateamstupid 05-09-2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
If I had his PPs in front of me my response would be:

"He was beaten X number of lengths with a Y beyer. . ."

X = 15 3/4, Y = 80.

tiggerv 05-09-2008 02:41 PM

Is Pletcher deciding tomorrow?

hockey2315 05-09-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
X = 15 3/4, Y = 80.

Thank you, sir.

zippyneedsawin 05-09-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
X = 15 3/4, Y = 80.

Algebra on a Friday afternoon?

happy_hour 05-09-2008 02:59 PM

excuse my ignorance, but any chance we now see 4/5 or even money on big brown with 12 entries?

blackthroatedwind 05-09-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by happy_hour
excuse my ignorance, but any chance we now see 4/5 or even money on big brown with 12 entries?

No.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-09-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I get it the jockey will make the horse go faster...

no you dont

ateamstupid 05-09-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by happy_hour
excuse my ignorance, but any chance we now see 4/5 or even money on big brown with 12 entries?

2/5 at the highest.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-09-2008 03:37 PM

Gonna use Yankee Bravo in the runner-up spot much like Midway Road in '03.

miraja2 05-09-2008 04:20 PM

He probably will be about 2/5 and if he is, he might just be the best value in the race.
He should easily be 1/9 against these mules.


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