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XIIPointStables 04-07-2008 09:46 AM

Awesome update Steve. Thanks!

Quick Edit: What do the horses shaded in green have mean?

philcski 04-07-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
For once I can't say I completely disagree with him. If they were males and you looked at their past performances would they really be any worse than 4th or 5th choice?

True... and I think while in the betting they may not be 4th or 5th choice, in real talent and potential to win the Derby, I think you are on point. Who would be ahead of them besides Pyro, Big Brown, and Colonel John?

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
True... and I think while in the betting they may not be 4th or 5th choice, in real talent and potential to win the Derby, I think you are on point. Who would be ahead of them besides Pyro, Big Brown, and Colonel John?

Unless someone emerges in the next two weeks I have absolutely no guess who would go off as the 4th choice. Could be any of about 8 different horses.

philcski 04-07-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Unless someone emerges in the next two weeks I have absolutely no guess who would go off as the 4th choice. Could be any of about 8 different horses.

Right now it would be either War Pass or Tale of Ekati. Both will likely be eclipsed for that spot in the coming week.

Scav 04-07-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Right now it would be either War Pass or Tale of Ekati. Both will likely be eclipsed for that spot in the coming week.

Tale of Ekati is looking better and better to me, although I fear that Saturday might have taken alot out of him, jock was really all over him, I thought he was a Derby horse last year, but then I couldn't understand what Tagg was doing with him. Tagg is probably a top 5 trainer in my opinion. I mean, he knew he had the earnings with this horse, and said, what is the point to have him ready, I'll get him ready in April. Derby will be what, his 4th start this year? Should be fresh, and should also get the trip. I just hope he doesn't get nuts and throw 57 or 58 works into this horse, would love to see some 6f 115 and 5f in 101, nice and relaxed

Kasept 04-07-2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Awesome update Steve. Thanks!

Quick Edit: What do the horses shaded in green have mean?

23 Atoned Todd Pletcher $130,000
24 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $129,000
25 Blackberry Road David Carroll $123,417
26 My Pal Charlie Al Stall Jr. $120,000


Those 4 respresent horses that 'technically' appear within the starting grid should the unlikelies NOT run... But of course all except Atoned will run this weekend and stand pretty good chances to improve their placement on the earnings list.

philcski 04-07-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Tale of Ekati is looking better and better to me, although I fear that Saturday might have taken alot out of him, jock was really all over him, I thought he was a Derby horse last year, but then I couldn't understand what Tagg was doing with him. Tagg is probably a top 5 trainer in my opinion. I mean, he knew he had the earnings with this horse, and said, what is the point to have him ready, I'll get him ready in April. Derby will be what, his 4th start this year? Should be fresh, and should also get the trip. I just hope he doesn't get nuts and throw 57 or 58 works into this horse, would love to see some 6f 115 and 5f in 101, nice and relaxed

Actually it'll only be his 3rd start of the year, which until last year was voodoo. Personally, I don't like him at all for the Derby, seeing them come home in 14 seconds was all I had to know about the Wood this year.

His owner is cool as sh*t though, Steve you should try to get him on the show!

tiggerv 04-07-2008 11:37 AM

I think Salute the Sarge is going to the Lexington. If he doesn't fall completely on his face I expect they will probably run him in the Derby since the owner seems to be determined to have a Derby horse and Signature Move isn't going.

Rileyoriley 04-07-2008 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Scott,

Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.


Story on ESPN says Eight Belles is headed for the Oaks.

whodey17 04-07-2008 02:31 PM

Who is not going in the Derby
 
As of today, who in the top 20 will not be running in the Derby?

Thanks in advance

Indian Charlie 04-07-2008 02:32 PM

indian blessing.

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 02:33 PM

Kodiak Kowboy

whodey17 04-07-2008 02:34 PM

Are the connections of Proud Spell and Eight Bells considering the Derby?

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Are the connections of Proud Spell and Eight Bells considering the Derby?

My guess is one of them winds up in the starting gate based on how eager Porter seems to be to have a Derby starter.

jcs11204 04-07-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Story on ESPN says Eight Belles is headed for the Oaks.

she should, her last few races were vs small groups, her going against 20 in the derby would be a disaster in my opinion, and she'd be overbet. I think proud spell is the one, battle tested, she could fire big vs the boys.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-07-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Story on ESPN says Eight Belles is headed for the Oaks.

Let's hope so! :D

GenuineRisk 04-07-2008 03:28 PM

Adriano is very unlikely, last I read.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-07-2008 03:30 PM

Maybe Todd Pletcher

SniperSB23 04-07-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Maybe Todd Pletcher

Would be pretty funny but I'm still hoping Cowboy Cal wins the Blue Grass so people burn money on him come Derby Day.

whodey17 04-07-2008 03:36 PM

I wish I had a wager on Pletcher not having a starter. I wonder what those odds would have been back in Jan.

Baranduin 04-07-2008 03:59 PM

Actually, the story on Bloodhorse quotes Rick Porter as saying they are keeping their options open...

Bystander 04-07-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
23 Atoned Todd Pletcher $130,000
24 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $129,000
25 Blackberry Road David Carroll $123,417
26 My Pal Charlie Al Stall Jr. $120,000


Those 4 respresent horses that 'technically' appear within the starting grid should the unlikelies NOT run... But of course all except Atoned will run this weekend and stand pretty good chances to improve their placement on the earnings list.

What about the others you have in green- Pyro, Court Vision, Cool Coal Man, and so on?

Kasept 04-07-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bystander
What about the others you have in green- Pyro, Court Vision, Cool Coal Man, and so on?

All likely for Derby baring injury, etc..

Bystander 04-07-2008 04:24 PM

Really just asking why you coded those particular colts in green... was it meant to indicate something different from the others who are "all likely for Derby baring injury, etc.." (and are coded with red.)

Kasept 04-07-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bystander
Really just asking why you coded those particular colts in green... was it meant to indicate something different from the others who are "all likely for Derby baring injury, etc.." (and are coded with red.)

Red has made last start.. Derby next.. Green still with start remaining.

Bystander 04-07-2008 04:31 PM

Got it!

2Hot4TV 04-07-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ceejay
Has any Delta Jackpot winner ever done much afterwards?

I think the race just knocks the winner out and the same can be said for alot of Kentucky Derby runners. Some just don't belong and others it is too much when they are still young.

Birdbirdistheword is the only one I can think of.

Coach Pants 04-07-2008 07:04 PM

What a sucky field this is.

Kasept 04-12-2008 05:15 PM

Fully updated... Red = Derby next start...

Earnings still available..

Lexington:
1. $195k (X)
2. $65k (X) if with existing earning >$65k
3. $32.5k


Graded Stakes Earnings List (04/12/08)

1 War Pass Nick Zito $1,470,000
2 Pyro Steve Asmussen $1,020,000
X Proud Spell Larry Jones $880,000
3 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg $738,000
4 Colonel John Eoin Harty $720,000
5 Gayego Paulo Lobo $640,000

6 Big Brown Richard Dutrow $600,000
7 Z Humor Bill Mott $579,000
8 Monba Todd Pletcher $500,000
9 Court Vision Bill Mott $331,872
10 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $329,000

11 Adriano Graham Motion $310,000
12 Recapturetheglory $300,000
13 Smooth Air Benny Stutts $290,000
X Salute the Sarge Eric Guillot $258,940
14 Cool Coal Man Nick Zito $212,767
X Anak Nakal Nick Zito $212,216
15 Eight Belles Larry Jones $210,000

16 Cowboy Cal Todd Pletcher $207,660
X Massive Drama Dale Romans $205,200
17 Visionaire Michael Matz $202,500
18 Big Truck Barclay Tagg $194,500
19 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff $180,000
20 Denis of Cork David Carroll $165,000

21 Halo Najib Dale Romans $157,996
22 Indian Sun Dan Hendricks $154,000
23 Tomcito Dante Zanelli $151,292 *** (LEX)
24 My Pal Charlie Al Stall Jr. $150,000
X El Gato Malo Craig Dollase $145,000
25 Hey Byrn Eddie Plesa $140,000

26 Atoned Todd Pletcher $130,000
27 Coast Guard David Hoffmans $130,000
28 Blackberry Road David Carroll $123,417
29 Golden Spikes Marty Wolfson $118,000
30 Tres Borrachos Beau Greeley $118,000

31 Golden Yank Gary Thomas 115,000
32 Yankee Bravo Patrick Gallagher $105,000
33 Racecar Rhapsody Ken McPeek $90,871 (LEX)
34 Shediak (FR) Richard Mandella $78,576
35 Kentucky Bear Reade Baker $75,000

36 King's Silver Son Steve Asmussen $60,000
37 Texas Wildcatter Todd Pletcher $53,750
38 Isabull Steve Hobby $50,000
39 Medjool David Hoffmans $47,500
40 Stevil Nick Zito $49,500

41 Cannonball Wesley Ward $18,800
42 Liberty Bull Tom Amoss $18,750
43 Behindatthebar Todd Pletcher $3,000
44 Samba Rooster Bob Baffert $0
45 Big Glen Frank Brothers $0

SniperSB23 04-14-2008 11:51 AM

So we are looking at the very real possibility that Bob Black Jack could be #21 with Anak Nakal's decision determining whether or not he gets in the field. If that is the case doesn't Zito pretty much have to enter Anak Nakal to knock BBJ out?

SniperSB23 04-14-2008 01:17 PM

Hey Steve, did you include Visionaire's $22.5K for fifth in the Blue Grass?


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