Yeah go ahead and try to rain on his parade. His team just won the Super Bowl. Arguably the second greatest upset in the history of football and you're more concerned about getting in a battle of semantics in order to be right.

Ponderous.

Did I say something not true? This is not like he is celebrating the birth of a child or something. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious? The guy said that they didnt need any breaks. The Manning to Tyree play was just superior coaching I guess. I said the Giants were deserving winners. In a close game they got more breaks. No rain.

Where did point say the Giants dominated the game? Outplayed does not mean dominated.

Do you agree that the Giants outplayed the Pats? :)

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I fail to see where I rained on the poor Giant fans parade.

Where is the word outplayed in that bolded nonsense? I like the trashing that's not in bold.

I would have to say that if any team is a 12 point favorite they shouldn't need or have to rely on lucky breaks. The Giants defense did something no other team was able to do this year and put Brady on his rear end several times. And lucky breaks? 12 men on the field call wasn't lucky? The interception off the hands of Smith wasn't lucky? The lob pass that Manning missed Plexico on when he was rolling out was very very lucky for the Patriots. If the Giants convert there, then there may not have been even a need for a comeback. So, people can come up with this lucky break hogwash all they want to, but the result is what it is. Great job Giants.

Since when is pointing out what happened trashing? The Giants "outplayed" the Pats. They also caught a few more breaks. Simple. If you take offense to interceptions that went through all-pro corners hands and miracle catches, go right ahead. It was a great game. If they played 10 times I would have a hard time saying that it wouldnt be 5-5. Hard to say the truth is trashing or knocking.

No one said the Giants didnt play well. But they DID get more breaks than the other team. It is not a knock, it is an observation. The Pats got the breaks when they should have lost to the Ravens. They did not last night. Difference between winning and losing in a close game. We can agree that it was a close game cant we Giant fans? Or was it a thorough 3 point blowout?

Did you actually bet the Patriots? Is that why you're being so biased?

I know that. Heck, I'm a Giants fan and I didn't think they'd win, but I was very impressed with their defense. They set the tone for the game. It was by no means a blowout. The giants were not going to win a shoot out. The needed to just keep the game close and have a chance to win it in the end. The Giants were similar to a Cinderella team in the NCAA. They got hot at the right time of the season.

I'm just not a big fan of the luck excuse. What stood out to me was New England going pass happy on their final drive. When they got down to the Giants 29 with a little over 4 minutes remaining I was certain they were going to run the ball and milk the clock.

Bottom line is they scored too soon. The only excuse I will give the Patriots is that Belichick seemed to be off his game last night...and the final offensive drive was an indicator. Either that or the hubris was on overdrive.

No, and I hardly see where I am being biased. Did you not watch the game? If not for a missed catch or recovered fumble couldnt the game have had the opposite outcome? I didnt say that the Giants were not worthy or that NE should have won. But they were fortunate. And that has been the entire point of my posts. Fortunate teams win close games.

They played great on defense and only turned it over once on offense. My point has been that they got some important breaks and that surely helped. The difference between Belichek being the greatest coach in history and a disgruntled guy who left the field early was the ball going through his best corners hands. That is not taking anything away from the Giants. I also dont buy that this is the biggest upset in history. That would be a discredit for the Giants because they are a really good team. NE beating the Rams in 2002 was a more unlikely outcome and the Jets in 69 will be hard to top. I mean they played a month ago and lost by 3 to the same team.

They played very passively on offense. It was like they fell in love with the Jacksonville gameplan and tried to duplicate it. When they opened it up late they moved efficently. But the Giants beat up the Oline and Brady didnt seem to be the same player. Maybe it was the pressure but he missed a lot of passes by alot. Some of Welkers catches were poorly thrown and he missed quite a few easy ones. But you have to give the Giants front 7 a lot of credit. And despite my assertions that the Giants had a couple breaks on offense, they didnt have any really bad turnovers.

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

Is that Aldebutante in you avatar????

No..it's Colonel Klink...a Military now 2yr old that we (Phil, Chuck and I) got at Keeneland sale in Sept.

I love Hogan's Heroes and Sgt Schultz was taken, so....

Don't they say that you make your own breaks? The Pats weren't able to capitalize on the breaks that they got. Bradshaw, getting his own fumble and the 12 man penalty. Two chances to have the ball deep in Giants territory. I really do believe that the Pats thought they were good enough to just turn it on when they wanted to, and it almost worked.
As far as Eli goes, I believe that he has turned the corner. He has become the franchise QB they thought they were getting. Ernie Accorsi didn't get much credit last night, but the foundation of this team has his fingerprints all over them. I also thought that I heard that the Giants are the third youngesst team in the leauge. They are in good shape for the future, maybe this could be the begining of something really special.

You are taught in Pop Warner football that when a field goal can't beat you, you don't let a man get behind you. I guess Ellis Hobbs never played Pop Warner.

The Giants deserved to win. They took it to the Pats from the start. They played with more hunger and desire and purpose and earned the win. They played as well as they could play and got a couple of breaks and got the win. Anyone that doesn't see that they got a few breaks just doesn't want to see it. Samuels had both hands on a ball that easily could have been intercepted and the game would have been over. The Pats fell on a fumble and got it taken away inside the Giants 20 that could have really changed the whole game. Eli was extremely close to be called in the grasp on that miracle play to Tyree. But none of those things happened. Those are the breaks. Giants won it. The Pats didn't lose it.

I know some are going to say that the Pats choked. I don't agree with that. Choking is when you start making uncharacteristic mistakes. Start turning the ball over, dropping passes, committing silly penalties...those are mistakes. The Giants just took it from them. And to think, Coughlin was very close to not making to this season.

Eli is the real deal. The Giants should trade Shockey.

good point..notice how much better that offense runs without him

and I bet Eli would say the same thing

agreed. the 2 guys that filled in did an excellent job. if nothing else better blockers and made their share of catches in that run to the championship.

There is nothing better than Darth Sweatshirt walking off the field losing in the postseason. I loved it!! Great effort by the Giants. I honestly think they are a better team. The Patriots were not the same team their last 10 games that they were the first half of the season. They were able to still win, but the complete and utter domination was gone. Great game.

I am so happy that they are the champs. They beat them in the most important game, but if they played them 10 times I think that they would lose 7 of them. Of course that doesn't matter now and nobody can take away what they accomplished.

So true.
His game against Green Bay was even
better than this one. Mr. Coldweather Brett
had trouble throwing the ball straight. Eli
was a laser.

Eli clutched out for 4 straight games AWAy.
ONe in terrible conditions.

The takeaway lesson for me is, even if you
are the great Tom Brady, if you get dumped
on your as s the entire game, its hard to have
a good game. Brady was not good. It is hard
to see how any QB could have been.

So Brady basically plays perfect ball when
not pressured. Dump him on his rear, he is like
everyone else. Patriots also showed some arrogance
in completely foregoing the running game. Bill B. made
some arrogant decisions.

Well said, and to the point!:)

They did have some pretty stupid penalties. It's been a long time since I've seen the Pats jump that many times in one game. They usually don't make those mistakes.

What it boils down to is the Giants basically played the 3 best offenses and the 3 best qb's in the league this year in consecutive games and pretty much manhandled each one of them. They brutalized Romo as they did Brady... and the Packers game wasn't really as close as the overtime and close score would have you believe. I honestly think if the Giants and Pats played 10 times the Giants win 5 or 6 of them.

Their passing game may be slightly better with Shockey. Their running game though is far worse with him in the game, so terrible in fact, that they would usually put him in for passing plays and take him out for running plays. You didn't need to be videotaping the offensive coordinator's signals on the sideline to be able to tell if it was going to be a run or pass when you could just check to see whether or not Shockey was in the game.

Although 4 penalties for 36 yards isn't exactly crippling to a team.

The refs were letting them play so it was only the stupid stuff that was getting called. It certainly didn't cost them the game but it was uncharacteristic to see such a disciplined football team false starting in such a big game.

I felt it was one of the best games I've ever seen. And that was one reason...they didn't call holding every other play or interference or illegal chucks or any of that junk. They called some obvious...shirt grabbing holds and the false starts which you have to but I enjoyed the only 9 penalties called. It was to me a really fun game to watch as usually these non rooting interest games I tend to get bored with...not last night.

Listen Sparky, the reason the Giants went to Jacobs on 4th and 1 is because he is as big as a lineman and tough to stop in a 1 yard situation even if you meet him at the line of scrimmage. That was not a break. I did not say the Giants dominated, but the reality is that the Giants physically outplayed the Patriots. I must disagree with you that the difference in the game was "breaks" that the Giants got. The Giants won because the game was played the only way the Giants could beat this team, low scoring, keeping the ball out of Tom Brady's hands as much as possible, harassing Brady when the Pats had the ball, which threw off his timing and forced him to throw the ball before he wanted to, which led to inaccurate passes, and also by using ball control with minimal turnovers. Even the Patriots are agreeing that the Giants were the better team Sunday, now can't you? ;)