Doug O'Neill outside of California on the dirt the past 5 years....

All Shippers 27 / 142 2.42 ROI

Under One Mile 14 / 54 3.94 ROI

Mile and 1 1/16 11 / 57 2.12 ROI

1 1/8 and over 2 / 31 0.15 ROI

I wouldn't even consider this as he was shipped to Arlington from the Euro connections, he never even saw the horse until his people got here.

Looking forward to him this year. I think he could be decent in Penna's care.

Moderatey talented one-turn colt that needs the lead. He could certainly win this race, but I don't see him as a legitimate major stakes horse.
I am willing to concede to Bobby Fischer that Wincat is "interesting" given his debut, but I have little or no interest in the rest of this field.

good stuff.

I think this specific race will be about playing our opinion without making big adjustments for trainers.

My gut says that Daaher is so good, that Spring at Last needs a huge performance, and I do not expect that huge performance.

I do like the ship and win in Dubai. - If a horse needs a certain medication regimen, Dubai is about the last place that horse will run well.

To a lesser extent it is also a nice that SAL has handled several tracks.

Wow, thanks for those numbers. Even more telling than I expected.

if the track comes up sloppy would it be a good idea to include einstein?

Considering the 10% chance of rain on Saturday and only 20% on Friday I think there is more chance of Doctor Googles Boogles winning this race in a new world record time than the track coming up sloppy.

No. His odds will be absurdly low even on a fast track and on a wet track he will be even more ridiculously overbet.

Turf horses win on sloppy tracks because they are off the turf races filled with horses that can't run on the dirt. These races are almost never accurate predictors for performances against real dirt horses.

Hasn't Brass Hat beat Fairbanks everytime they ran against one another?

No. Fairbanks ran 4th in the Whitney, and Brass Hat ran 8th.
I don't think either of them will win here.

you obviously have never lived in south florida!

much appreciated

Me either, but since I thought I walked into the "throw something against the wall and see if it sticks" thread I figured I would put it out there...

Or I'm just really high on Doctor Googles Boogles.

i think you just really like the name.

I thought this was the thread where opinions are decimated by Andy and his band of trusty parrots?

Wrong. That would be every Derby Trail thread ever in history.

boy the odds maker didn't give the player anything with the Donn morning line. Einstein is 6-1. He should still get some love , but 4-1 would have been much better. Fine line between setting the line to reward the handicapper, and misleading the public....

What the odds maker didn't do in the Donn he did in the Swale with Coal Play opening at 5/2. Now we need Lapenta and Zito to keep him in.

Fine. I'll let everyone alone to bet as they please.

I can think of one poster in particular that is extremely happy I butted in recently. But, I'm sure he's in the major minority.

I'll leave everyone to your words of wisdom Joey. Bash away. It's a thankless job but I'm sure you're up for it.

:) Actually stopped by the Big A today and got a G out for some walkin around money.

^^^ Needs to visit the Esoteric forum. Morty will cheer him up.

ill chime in on this as my opinion is really bad..lol

its dahaars race to lose ..when hes pressured early luzzi will have to get the lead ..at the 1/8th pole he will be in front but tired .. then the matz horse 1 wood be willing who was way out of it and the 5 ap arrow will try too run em down.... brass hat is a really bad horse..him and 9 have no shot.....

Well at least you got the "bad opinion" part right. First of all the 1 horse is not trained by Michael Matz....it's Allen Jerkens. But hey....details details right? Who cares who trains the horse. It's funny how you have the great AP Arrow possibly running them down, but then call Brass Hat (a horse who has accomplished much more and lost to him by 3/4 of a length) a bad horse. BH has accomplished more than anyone in this field and has a HUGE shot on Saturday. So according to your moronic analysis Fairbanks and Kiss the Kid have a better shot than BH? I wish I could take your action on that bet. Hopefully you are kidding....if not it might be the single dumbest thing I have ever seen on here....and that is saying a lot.

Don't quit your day job.

Oh, loosen up. I, along with most others definitely appreciate your input.

sorry buddy the 1 was trained by matz now jerkins..brass hat has no shot

I don't have an opinion here other than to say I don't think it's particularly fair to call Brass Hat a "rat."

ok not a rat..sorry that is mean..willy should have a sign on his back at the 1/8th pole with two arrows..pass in either direction..

All kidding aside, I think "no shot" is ridiculous. If Daaher gets an uncontested lead (which I dont see) he will be tough. But after that Brass Hat is right there. Why does he have no shot? Just curious.

Now that is funny.

But seeing how he will be coming from the back, I dont see him being in that position. For someone with such a bad opinion you are funny.

he will huh..my opinion is pretty good ..you on the other hand wager away on this horse..lets look at brass hats positives/negitives

positives..most of this field is bad..

now the bad news


hes the oldest horse in the race
he s got horses with more speed inside and out
he hasent put 2 100 plus figs together sence feb 06
his jock is average..
should i keep going......

WHAT DID BRASS HAT PAY?............

If hooves has such a bad opinion then why did he cash a $50,000+ Pick 6?

it wasnt that much.did hit super at sa .

Yes you should. Your reasoning is beyond stupid. Oldest horse? Thats a good one. Speed inside and out? He's a closer....who cares. The figs thing is meaningless. Jock? Martinez has ridden him his whole career. You are putting way too much emphassis on the jockey here. It's not like he hasnt won on him.

Yes..please keep going....is rather hysterical. Who do you like here?

His opinion/reasoning in this instance is horrible.


As far as cashing a pick 6? Surely you are not implying that if someone at some point hits a pick 6 then they always have a good opinion.

I know some very bad cappers who have gotten lucky and hit the pick 6.

In Hooves we trust.

You, on the other hand, please kindly pay when services are rendred.

His reasoning is frightening. I think Britney Spears stole his login and is posting under his name. Scary stuff.

whatever..load up on brass hat.. your hopeless....

So who do you like genius ?

I agree with you on Daaher not being able to handle the pressure. It's a logical assumption. What I'm missing is how most on here have completely disregarded Fairbanks' chances on the assumption that John R. will force him to the lead. I'm assuming he'll keep him directly behind Daaher and let him chase the cheap speed.

Outside of Fairbanks' last two races, his previous three races will beat anyone in this field...unless A.P. Arrow repeats or improves off the Clark performance.

I think Fairbanks has to be sent. His best races have all been gate to wire. The race he won at GP last year he was in some traffic and was forced back. Ever since then he has been gunned to the lead. I am not sure Johnny V can take him back without choking him into submission. His race at Suffolk he was up on a slow apce...and still was handled easily by BH.

His figures in his previous 3 are good....but they arent great races....his Tokyo City race figure seems out of whack as they crawled early.

I think he is a complete toss based on he isnt gonna outrun Daaher...and I cant see him rating with any success. Plus his race in The Clark was brutal.