I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

Even when I find winners, I find a way to **** them up so I am a lost cause

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

If you used "pal" instead of "dude", you would have sounded tougher, for future reference

Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.

live on ppv cannon vs cmoriles

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a pillow production..

He's got no shot. ;)

I agree with you 100%, at the most, there should be a 5 second delay from bet to tote, there are plenty of pipes out there for the information to get to.

I almost think this is more about late odd changes then past posting, and late odd changes drive EVERYONE nuts.

But honestly, when can the bettor do? Stop betting? maybe, but nothing will change until someone involved in the industry gets f'd out of a bunch of money that they just bet. Way of the world, react when too late

Also, this is a questionable excuse, given that they HACKED into the system to bet that pick six

I've met Cannon.....
 

and if you had you would not fire at will from the comfort of your keyboard fox hole.....

There are a huge number of people playing these races, whales and minnows... if there was a systematic pattern, unless all the whales are part of a conspiracy, someone would blow the whistle... **** happens, people are fallible, they space out, the button is full of mustard and sticks... who knows

Just my bet from the 1/4 pole

I/L

he'd bet the off.

There are many here that know me personally. I would hardly say I'm firing from a foxhole as some anonymous poster.

your avatar is freaking me out..hes saying something..

Huh? What does that even mean? I think most people would think if past posting is being done, it is being done via hacking.

Don't you find the fact that they have no idea how much was bet off track after the bell a little scary?

Not to change the subject but...how about that 8th race at turfway....there is one in there that I 've been waitin for

I thought you were talking about the P6 scandal at Arlington

Yes, in this day in age of tracking and software, it should be instant. But given that there is no governing body of horse racing, nothing will change until someone gets screwed over

Yep, the whole business is a mess, no doubt.

Are you a Saluki grad? My wife, the much smarter half of our union, is a graduate.

When you quote me I find it hard to believe that it wasn't directed at me. What difference does it make to you if I say "get over it" especially when directed to a person not even on the board? Am I now the voice of Backside USA? My first post on this thread was "I was wrong". Did you miss that?

Ok waffle boy

the race odds changing at the1/4 pole is normal as the late betting gets put in the pool after its started ..its not a regular practice.. but this post betting is a rareity.. im more worried about jockys who dont ride all the way......

For whatever it's worth, the only first hand experience I have had with past posting was a little over 10 years ago, at an OTB in Suffern. While betting Yonkers we had been made aware by a fairly big bettor that the windows were staying open at least 15 to 20 seconds after the car opened the gates... we would simply box the horses who went for the lead, a huge adavantage at Yonkers back then, and also one that would not show up on the odds board (and when I write "we", I mean they, as I was anything but a big bettor). So I have seen it firsthand, although it was a long time ago, and it was Harness.
But this experience does lead me to believe it CAN still be happening, at any time, at any race track around the country. And we, the betting public, don't have any information on the special access that certain "whales" get into the betting pools. NO ONE, no matter how much they bet, should have any special advantages.

Yes I am, my degree is toilet paper though (Marketing). When did she go down there?

Mid 90s (1997?), did it as an adult weekends and nights. Masters from OU...she is still with me though, so maybe she isn't as bright as I thought.

How do you know?

I've got waffles to make, beer to brew, and have to coach a few female tennis players in the morning, so I'm off to bed.

Don't forget the bobsled workouts

I think past posting goes on. I think it all happens very soon after the start of the race and gets put through in the "flood" of wagers that "hit the system" all at once. No doubt in my mind it happens.

Reminds me of the old days at Maywood when the bell didn't go off until the horses had almost hit the first turn. The $50 window tellers were working solely for a few people with 1mtp or less. The bettor would call the horse that got off the gate the best and the teller would punch as many $50 win tickets as possible.

The biggest fixes were when the horse that left the gate quickest and got the lead broke stride in the first turn.

Flukey Stokes, Buddy Bear, Willy The Wimp. Those boys ruled the clubhouse.

....I can take a hint....I'll discuss the 8th at Turfway elsewhere...:rolleyes:

Huh? How can I flip about what I said? It is right there in black and white. You and CJ seem to have some personal anomisity with your snide comments. I dont know why but suit yourself.

I'm sure that in the old days past posting happened with a far more frequent degree than it does now.

I guess not since you are still bringing it up a month later.

I miss having a rattle.

They did this in KY after the BC scandal and stopped because of complaints from the players, Mr Teacher.

They did it at Arlington and people were bitching up a storm about how they were 'in the gate' and yadda yadda.

No one is ever happy about anything. Someone is always pissed off