Kent's just the guy I want standing up at the 1/16 pole.

He's a joke because he fills his barn with cute exercise riders? When did the backside turn into an episode of Queer Eye?

Yeah, they really stuck it to him......he only won the Kentucky Derby four times, the Preakness five times and the Belmont Stakes four times. Not to mention his 17 BC wins.

Can you imagine what he would have done if the Gods weren't sticking it to him?

c'mon now btw. don't let facts get in the way of emotion.

I don't know him at all. I do, however, know that he has left an indelible mark of accomplishment in this game. For you to suggest that because he didn't have a TC winner he in some way failed is beyond absurd.

The man's accomplishments are simply incredible. He is certainly closer to being immortal than Billy Turner.

I'm sorry.....being a good exercise rider is now mutually exclusive to being a cute girl?

That absurd opinion must work well for you.

i heard he used a long whip on azeri in training.

I'm ashamed to say that I haven't.

So if a girl is cute then she's automatically not a good exercise rider? Hmm. Hey stop bogartin and puff puff pass.

What makes you think D. Wayne hasn't been in Chuck's barn? Hmm?

"Pletcher had a horse that earned more than the Lukas barn made all year."

that's because he learned to train from a good teacher, unlike this scumbag.

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

Lukas has often shocked the racing world with his big, unexpected wins. Most either love or hate the man because of his shocking wins. He shocked me in the Jim Dandy when Scorpion wired Free Of Love at the wire. I had FOL in a number of winning combinations only to be shocked by Scorpion. Lukas beat me again, this time for quite a few bucks, I thought leaving the track.

Click on this picture as Lukas was shocking Saratoga. Congaree hung on for 3rd saving tons of bridgejumpers.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/free+of+love
FOL is on the rail, Scorpion foreground.

POINTGIVEN!!!!!!.......Happy Holiday's to you and your family the board has never been the same since you left for Pace......may your tree and stockings be thickly lined and overflowingly filled with mountains of chalk surpassed only by the future bountiful gifts of equine wisdom you bestow on us all.

If you use drugs as a reason for why he shouldnt be in the hall of fame then Pat Day, PVal and several other riders shouldnt be in the hall of fame either. Antley was prob one of the best jocks I have ever seen when it comes to pure talent and deserves to be in the hall of fame.

Drugs.....the most difficult part of evaluating a guy like DWayne and the rest of the big names is the lack of a stat or index that incorporates....

"Racing Productivity/Money Spent on Developing Talent"

Assuming that the vast majority of what the big training outfits work with is young horse flesh purchased by deep pockets who then take the raw product and ask a guy like DWayne, TP, Kiran etc to then develop these insanely expensive babies into champions if not successful stakes horses for eventual breeding themselves. A glorified ROI for $$ invested vs whats earned by the horse from the track and then the reproductive career. I am not aware of any but do you think there are trainers who do well from this angle of figuring an index or stat for what a trainer produces or money returned via earnings over several years (because I would imagine that a yearly index would be impossible to interpret since the on track earning potential isn't a one year stat as 2 year olds do not have the opportunities to earn that 3 and older have)......

And even if this data did make sense as an index for a trainer are you not better off using a trainer who does more with lesser numbers of horses or the comparasion between guys like Asmusen and say Nafzger. If your going to spend several hundred thousand on a yearling do you do better with the factory or big chain approach or the "mom and pop" smaller guy who may have trained 10 horses a year but they all get individual attention from the true name trainer.......yes I must consider decaff!!!

I wouldn't say he appeared insensitive, moreso, disappointed.

youre referring to doc cheney, and well by now if you still dont believe he was a sore pup well then..........

You mean sore horses actually race sometimes? I would have thought an experienced backstretch denizen like yourself would have known that.

You knew nothing about Doc Cheney when you opened your trap here a couple months ago...and you know nothing about the horse now.

LMFAO i know sore horses run EVERYDAY, not just sometimes and some crippled. i know nothing? hmmmmmmmmm lets see the info i had before was from somebody who was actually on the horses back before, and when i heard it it was from the earlier part of this year. hell he sure looks to be doin great now, it took them 2 months to run the horse back off the claim and for that particular horse it was a very horrible 3rd, horse was lucky to even hang on for third that day

Thanks for the info.....I'll be sure to pass it on to Nick later when he calls. And don't doubt he'll call.

well you didnt seem to believe me before hoss but i wouldnt just come on here making up what i heard and by now as the year progressed its pretty evident. believe me im not proud or happy about seeing any animal sore or less than a 100%. im sure somebody like chuck who actually trains and knows a helluva lot more bout the physical condition of the animals can elaborate further but basically any horse who runs hard is gonna have their little issues here and there but its blatantly obvious DC has and has had a little more than that, again most recently why would they wait 2 months off the claim 2 run him back??????? as far as zito goes as good as he is im sure he already knows, why would the horse had been in for the tag? sure even the top trainers(lol ah most prolly wont like this name but a good example) like asmussen let 1 slip through the cracks now and then like a filly he had named sis city (who got claimed for 50k i believe and went on to bank round 800k) but most of the time these guys arent giving anything away

You don't know one single thing about Doc Cheney that isn't printed in his pps. Nothing. You have absolutely no idea what the physical status of Doc Cheney is or ever was. He actually ran fine in his last race.

I see firsthand, unlike you, how hard Nick Zito's staff works and it is disgraceful that you would discredit any of them in order to further your agenda of fantasy.

LMFAO OMG you just dont get it do you? in no way was i knocking nick zito or the people working for him! you consider his last race fine? he was smashed and again was LUCKY to hang on for 3rd, coulda easily finished 5th or 6th, and well 2 back when they layed him in for 25 i suppose he ran great too that day finishing up the track@ even money huh? i seriosuly wonder how bad he came back after that race 2 be givin 2 months off off the claim(extra bute, banomine anyone?). again i wasnt knocking NZ, but you seriously just dont have a clue

I know exactly what you were doing....pretending you knew something that you not only didn't know but was patently false.

I get it perfectly....you're a desperate lying wannabee.

How do you really feel? lol

Be careful what you say about Nick Zito. BTW doesn't like when you talk about him--I wonder if he is in love.

I hope some time in your life you learn the joys of friendship.

In this particular instance I only find his lying particularly ridiculous because I actually do know all about Doc Cheney.

Why would it matter to you? Perhap you should re watch the movie "Bronx Tale" Sonny tell C"For twenty bucks the jerk is out of your life" This guy cost you nothing and wasn't trying to disparage your guy IMO. He is just clueless.

It was a joke BTW.

I know, understand and respect the joys and hardships of friendship. I also know you know tons about Zito and his horses (Doc Cheney in this instance), this is why I typically believe you when it comes to things like this.

I took it as a joke....and thus kidded in response.

Yeah, I do know the Doc Cheney story, not that there really is one. But, I do know everything the other guy posted ( both here and in a previously deleted thread ) is complete BS.

I understand people in racing are open to criticism here, and much of it is fair, just as it often involves people I know. However, if I feel someone is being unfair I am more than ready to at least try and inject a kernel of truth. We all leave plenty of room for fair criticism.....I just wish people would stick to that.

I look forward to the day we meet. I might even by you a beer or Captains and Coke. I, for one, believe criticism is good (along as it is criticism based on fact and sound reasoning). If it wasn't for warranted criticism, then we would never get better at anything. And truth always trumps everything.

DaHoss....I have missed you. Where on earth have you been?