This new race will never have a quality field. Never.

Lest we forget that this also gives the owners extra incentive to keep Student Council in training next year.

It's like they wrote the race just for him.

The BC should take over concessions and serve paint chips. I think they'd go over big.

It may turn out to not be realistic and the things I'm hoping for may never happen. I am just glad that there is now something to hope for. Without making this race and some others throughout the year for these types of horses to run in, there was never any hope that breeders would ever breed these kinds of horses anymore and I didn't even blame them.

To answer your question, no, I don't really think it was done to improve the breed. I know it was done with greed in mind. But if a side effect can end up helping the game out a little bit, I'm ok with that.

How is does it " help the game " to attempt to create a division of slow horses?

I agree with what Hossy said above and because of this I think the Breeder's Cup Comittee would be better served focusing on the issues that are brought before them (not enough windows etc) than diluting the product and getting horses there that shouldn't be. Quality over quantity IMO.

If they really wanted to bring more Breeder's Cup to the second day, why not transfer the Steeplechase event to that day?

Like the addition of the Turf Sprint. Should've been added this year.

Mixed on the Turf Juvenile Fillies. Might get 2 quality fillies and a field of 10, if they're lucky.

Don't like the 1 1/2 "Marathon". I'm in agreement with the majority in this thread......thinking we'll see more allowance than Breeder's Cup quality horses.

On the surface this is a good idea but it's tactically impossible as few turf courses are wide enough to run this race on only the outside part of the course and taking the fences down in time to run other turf races is a daunting task. Not impossible but perhaps unnecessarily difficult.

Theoretically Belmont could do this ( and they ran the BC Steeplechase there a week before the BC in 1990 ) as they have two turf courses.

I'm sure Navesink River is around somewhere. He used to always win those goofy mile and 7/8's races that NYRA seems to card once or twice per year.

He is in Saudi Arabia.

Well at least they chose the three races least likely to canibalize the other existing races. I don't have a problem with the races being added but don't see any reason for the purse to be anymore than $250,000 since they will draw the same fields regardless. If they had added a 10 furlong turf race that would have been a distaster.

Give them time..

I would prefer they have a non-graded stakes race at 6-1/2 furlongs down the hill as part of the BC undercard at Santa Anita.

I love the downhill sprints, but it makes no sense making this race part of the BC, since it can't be run next year, and there can't be any "prep" races for it anywhere besides Arcadia, CA.

This just in... A new race on Friday.

For 6 y.o. and up for Grey Horses only.

The "Gray Pride" Breeders Cup Stakes (GIII)

C'mon, I can't believe that those that decry the sturdiness and endurance of the TB racehorse are so against the return of races with some distance to them. The value placed on a baby 2-year-old being able to break 11 seconds in a training sale is silly, in my eyes.

Yes, watching (and betting) a 1 1/2 mile race is different than a California sprint. But I'm not fond of Quarter Horse racing, either.

The track secretaries agreed last year to start carding more 1 1/2 mile races, they reiterated to the BC Committee they are behind this, and will card appropriately throughout the year.

I'm very happy to see it. I agree with King Glorious and think King made some excellent points.

Do I think the sport is too geared to BC Championship day, at the expense of racing throughout the year? Absolutely. But that's a different concern than what distances should be offered to TB racehorses; and that doesn't mean I'm against an attempt to expand TB racing back to what it used to be, and providing longer races.

I'm more unhappy with the added carding of more short and intense sprints, than distance races, in regards to "what the breed is".

What is the difference between Hard Spun, Street Sense, and Curlin? Two will prove to be far more commercial than the third, for different reasons, and why is that? Why will Curlin be HOY? What is the extra-added value of Rags as a broodmare?

I really see no need for the 1.5 mile affair. On the same token why not? Who cares

Hey, I like that race!

Racing secretaries saying they will card distance races is not the same as making these races fill....and even if they fill ( what is " fill " these days in racing....six horses I guess ) they will be completely made up of claiming types. Now, I don't knock these horses, in fact I applaud them, as they are the ones that make the races go these days. However, we already have a championship day for them, and it's called the Claiming Crown. While I applaud the BC for realizing that it is in fact these fine animals that should be rewarded with a big race of their own, I think if they are going to do that, it is only fair that they card a full day of half million dollar races for the many valiant claimers making up the cards at all distances....and on all surfaces.

But, there's really a great deal of hypocracy to go around. Considering it was the BC itself that caused races to be cut back in distance it is a real side splitter that they now seek to create a race for the very types they helped diminish. Oh the great BC knows both benevolance and irony.....don't they?

Andy, your points are well-considered, and I agree with much of what you say - especially that last.

We are looking at this from two different viewpoints, and I may indeed be wearing rose-colored glasses. My first response was to look at the list of the top 25 sires in this country, and see whose progeny has become more valuable, what opportunities for genetic diversity now exist.

I will be listening to ATR a half-hour from now. Go git 'em! ;)

Will also be very interested in hearing Lauren's perspective on this.

Hey if you think Malibu Moonshine will show up.....Evening Attire might like this new 12 F dirt race as well. :)

i knew someday caller one would be a contender again..:eek:

http://www.drf.com/workoutsForHorseA...o?rNo=97027684

win and your in 5k allw at churchill 1 mile and 1/2 on the dirt

Man, you were spot on in this prediction.
People in this thread have been so busy complaining about the 12f race that they have missed how absolutely stupid it is to have a juvenile turf race for filles. How completely ridiculous can you get?
I hate the Breeders' Cup a little more every year. This year's edition was an absolute joke, and next year's is going to be even worse. The best way to "save the sport" would be to do away with the whole stupid idea.

It must have been Chip Tuttle's input.

Alot of you are doing exactly what you diss the TB industry for doing - looking solely at Breeders Cup day.

Just more action to add to the mix, no big deal with me.

That's what the thread is about.

And don't sell us short....many of us are acutely aware, and have pointed out, how detrimental the BC is to the rest of the game.

Exactly.

I absolutely agree with that last. But that doesn't mean I don't desire more races throughout the year to be available at over a 1 1/6 miles, and I would rather see that added to a Friday, than more sprints.

You've got 16 minutes to post, you revved up for action? I expect a fast break, a confident rail lead, and head-to-head fighting off of all contenders.

How long can you last? A mile, or longer? :cool:

Breeders Cup, Ltd. itself must be wildly profitable for them to be tossing about $3-4 million at the new and second year races next year. It's just too bad this big and getting bigger chunk of the public's betting dollars are going into the pockets of the BC people at the expense of the greater good of the sport.

God forbid some of the profits generated in the industry be spent on frivolities such as modern tote systems that stop betting on a timely basis or moderating takeout.

Who knows why they did what they did this year, with Friday. It's crazy.

It's thinking like this that will forever leave you on the outside looking in.

From a business perspective, the Friday races were a huge success.

I wonder if they considered the Filly & Mare Turf Mile?

Unless you accept at least the possibility that the diluted races on Saturday, at least partially due to Friday's races, were what led to the substantial decrease in handle on the big day.

Who besides maybe Corinthian or Discreet Cat ran on Friday instead of Sat?

The fact that the long turf races were underfilled may have been more of a contributor to the handle decrease.