Or just carve a Cubs logo into your head.

Understand that without knowing what Dr. Allday might suggest further in that setting, or what support he would have for those further deliniations, I could not open our production company, and Sirius, up to potential actions for slander. Sirius has been very clear that they do not want to be put into that position. There has already been two incidents along those lines, and they will not tolerate a third. I have to be judicious and cautious in that kind of a scenario. If Steve wants to expand on his comments, he'll undoubtedly do so on the Show, but it will need to be done with i's dotted and t's crossed.

That was quite an exchange.

Well if that is the standard on your show, that if an industry expert calls in on his own personal experience in an interview and says something negative you probably should have cut him off right away.

Does Sirus have the same standards for Sean Hannity and Howard Stern, though I understand your show is neither?

I wonder if Biancone and Dutrow exchange cheating secrets in French. They are both a disgrace to this great game and need banned for life.

Allday has been a contributor to the Show for a long time, and I had confidence in his judgement that nothing he was saying, or would say, was, or could be, actionable. And he is no dummy... It was in fact, largely his own expressed opinion and interpretation of what he knew went on regarding Wild Desert as opposed to specific 'charges' leveled at Dutrow.

I don't know Sirius' standards for their other programming. I know that we have been threatened with action twice in 2+ years, (Gertmanian was one and the other a guy that 'sells' racing memorabilia curiously acquired), and Sirius specifically has warned us to avoid enntanglements of that ilk...

ATR wears a different hat than FBI
 

theres a fine line between informative/entertaining & personally damaging/slander

actually it's not so fine

good judgement prevailed

Dont you think there is a good old boy type feeling amongst most people in the industry that allows this to go on? Its almost like you have to keep the secret or chance getting black balled out of the sport, if thats what its called. Honestly anyone who wagers serious money on this sport, especially after hearing that should have their head examined.

It is a very "don't ask, don't tell" industry. It is very good ole boy. But as history has taught us, good ole boy networks only last for so long until someone gets f'd and it all tumbles down quickly.

Why you are asking for even more aggressive journalism is beyond me. Steve just let that flow yesterday and didn't even really have to ask. If he asks a question, maybe it 'closes' Allday and he stops talking because he is realizing what he is doing. I don't know. But all I can say is that very statement will send this industry into turmoil. It is probably all over the backstretch today and who knows, maybe Dutrow will call in and try and defend himself. Whatever Allday may or may not have done in the past, it doesn't matter now, but what he did was talk about something that EVERYONE has walked on eggshells about for the fear of getting sued because all they had were statistical movements and assumptions. Allday has friggin proof of this and basically handed it to them on a silver platter. I CAN'T WAIT.

More information
 

Wild Desert is entered as a stallion prospect in the up incoming Fasig-Tipton November select sale.

Hip Number: 184
Link: http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2007/1104/184.pdf

excellent show yesterday!

I admit that I am not an industry insider, but in my opinon, if allegations against Dutrow are proven true, and if Dutrow is allowed to train in the future, it proves beyond a doubt that the sport does not care about cleaning itself up.

However, in the end, the bettors are to blame. If we continue to bet horses in spite of this obvious lack of respect that we receive from the industry, we can't complain. At least that's how I see it.

Great Job Steve
 

Well, I just listened to Black Friday's Byk tapes (Black for Dutrow) and all I can say is great job. You know, too often people who report the news would take the opportunity to sensationalize such a scoop but you did not and kept your calm after realizing your show, maybe for the first time, had become the news. Your handling of the bomb dropped in your lap was professional and serves as an example of how all news reporters should approach a such an event. Your class came through when talking to Rick Hammerle when you would not dare to repeat the news but rather just suggested he listen to Steve's comments first hand.

Man you're good.

Spyder,

What if you are still winning despite any supposed cheating? Why would you stop? Did people stop buying stocks after the Enron mess? Did people suddenly stop betting on basketball because a ref was caught fixing the games?

wouldnt a simple disclaimer " the views expressed by guests and callers doesnt represent the views of Sirius or or its advertisers" or some such verbiage, prevent any harm to Sirius and allow you to fully explore the subject?

You say something like that and your candor goes out the window....it was pretty clear that Byk wasn't driving the discussion car yesterday. Allday called unannounced providing additional information about the facts surrounding Dutrow's recent suspensions. The rest of the info was provided by the good doc without a question posed.

It would however beg the question "Why now..." There must be an explanation for why this bomb went off on 11/2/07 for events in 2005??

Yes.. I talked to Perrotta about it this afternoon in fact..

It's so obvious what your intentions are. One of the worst trolls ever.

is he defensible?

so you think anything coming out about dutrow was minor?

Listing of vets is a waste of time. Some practices have as many as seven or eigth different vets, many of which cover multiple barns. I personally have had at least 12 vets this year work on my horses or give Lasix shots or something like that and it isn't like I have 100 horses. Guys like Allday who almost never give prerace meds or Lasix would never be listed. He pretty much does only diagonistic work now(thats where all the money is) in a number of different barns.

So who would be listed? The vet who last treated the horse? I just dont see how it would help.

I guess when you get your own radio show you'll be prepared.

That is the biggest misconception that always gets brought up. If someone had PROOF that someone like Dutrow was doing something wrong don't ya think they would turn him in? There is the catch, the proof. Everyone saying that we know he is doing something or using the beyer figures of a horse he moved up isn't proof, it is conjecture. This good ol boys thing is a lot of bs. There are plenty of good ol boys who would love to see Dutrow or Frankel fry.

And football which gets more money bet on it than any other sport in our country is far more drug tainted and good ol boys infested than horseracing.

What is with the red?

Chuck,

You didn't get your 3-D glasses?

Way to go on the third place finish today...
Spyder

Maybe Steve can get him back on and waterboard him.....:D

Why does he need defending?

What do you think he's done, other than the things he's been punished for like everyone else?

Very well said, and I agree completely. I met Dr. Allday, for the the first time, about 20 years ago. He was still working in the harness business, and was working with Dr. Ken Seeber (who, ironically, gave up his vet practice and became a harness trainer -- training for Lou Guida).

Anyway, I listened to the show. I found it just as interesting as everyone else, thought provoking, wanting for more -- and of course asking "what's next". I think something very positive can come from this. However, I also think something very negative can come from this as well.

There is also some irony here. First, as mentioned, we all know there are two sides to every story. Obviously, in hearing this one side -- which might be slanted or biased to a some extent -- this is side that everyone so very much wants to be true. It reinforces what everyone has been saying and what they've "known" to be true for so very long. How much sour grapes and so on, nobody will ever know.

Be that as it may -- before Dr. Allday's comments, in the past, when he was Dutrow's vet, all the cheating that everyone says, knows, believes, etc. Dutrow did -- how many people believed that Dr. Allday wasn't involved? He took plenty of pot shots here, and at other BB's. He was talked about just as much as Dutrow. At one time, you couldn't talk about Dutrow without mentioning Dr. Allday. Now, people will listen to him as opposed to criticize him, because now they like what he is saying. I can understand why.

Now, we want to listen to him. People who had no idea what they were talking about commented before about Dr. Allday and his involvement with Dutrow, and his success -- yet it was always common knowledge to innumerable people in the industry that Dr. Allday wasn't known to pre-race horses, but was an expert in diagnostic work, and the work the products he's developed.

I want, just like everyone else, to have something come from this -- if it's true and the proof comes out. However, to me, after reading, hearing, etc. all of this -- it almost seems like a little redboarding to me.

Eric

yes. would say its a case of buyer beware though, no one should complain about cheating though at this point with the mounting evidence its a rampant issue.

Veterinary medical ethics recognizes the privileged and confidential nature of the doctor-client-patient relationship.

When Dr. Richardson at New Bolton was so forthcoming about Barbaro, it was because the owners generously gave permission to discuss Barbaro's case.

I think that in situations like this, they often tend to take on a life of their own. On one hand, this can potentially be a catalyst for change, for progress, etc. It might be now and could be the start of something. Or it could be a wake up call, and start some sort of slow, perhaps "covert" process. Of course, this could only happen if, and only if, all of this is coupled with proof. Perhaps obtaining the proof becomes a journey, not just a destination.

On the other hand, I don't know what can happen, but I think it could be bad. It wouldn't be the first time. There is so much negativity in and around this business, and the media, the public, and our own industry does what it can to put much of that in the forefront. Unless someone, or something that happens, is going to advocate for the industry -- and not against a former friend, client, etc. -- then perhaps this can also spiral out of control. There could be a great deal of finger pointing, allegations, and more of the like. What could come from that? More vets coming forward? More accusations? Will that be hollow? Or will it have substance? If it's coupled with proof, great.

But what happened to Mario Sclafani and Braulio Baeza started with accusations. Sure, there was more to it, but it started from -- and I mean no offense to anyone here who knows the person, and I ask that nobody use his name -- a person who comments were made to, who lost some bets, etc. Sure, we all know there were political aspects to this, but there were two people at the end of all those negative reports, accusations, etc. One was a hard working guy, liked by his peers, people in the industry, and people on the racetrack. He wasn't a public figure. Mario Sclafani was butchered. The other -- Braulio Baeza, a Hall of Fame member, who everyone liked and respected. His reputation was damaged beyond repair.

But what are we really talking about here? Public perception is already low. It could get lower as a result of something like this. This could potentially cast a very long, wide and bad net. Of course I hope it does not, and only hope that if anything, good comes from this. I guess we'll soon see.

Eric