I know what you're saying, but would it have taken that much more out of him if he had just bustled Hard Spun up a little. To make him go those few strides quicker than he would prefer?

Borel got very 'busy' in the saddle in the stretch, and gave SS a few sharp smacks behind the saddle. Why get so busy late on when the race was all but lost?

I don't think Borel had the best of days today, that's all i'm saying. I could understand him laying off SS early and just doing the bar minimum to finish second, but to lay off him early and then get really serious close home when the race is lost? It just seemed a little strange.

I'm with you there.

As i said before, Borel really asked him in the closing stages, and in my opinion there was little response from the horse.

There is no doubt he will be 100 times better with a stronger gallop, but his style of racing will always make things difficult in a very good race with plenty of runners.

I thought Hard Spun would win today, but i was still disappointed with Street Sense.

he killed that horses chance by getting him buried on the rail.
the horse was full of run once he got free.

I think Nafzger would want you to do away with that god awful avatar.

Is that Balletto?

This race proved to me that SS is infected with the Perfect Drift Syndrome!

Worse.

Going into the race, I liked Street Sense's chances in the classic. I still do.
A race with a 4-horse field going 9f over the poly is about as similiar to the BCC as Cowtown Cat is to Ghostzapper.

He seems to give up all the time like Drifty always did,getting to the front or close and then the ears perk up and he just quits and doesn't give any more effort.

There are only two possible explanations.
1) He was joking.
2) He doesn't have a clue.

i don't know about that. its not easy to close at Monmouth either.

You must be joking.
Street Sense does tend to hang a bit. No question about that. He usually hangs and wins.
Perfect Drift - at least in the last years of his career - tended to hang and run second or third.
Not all hangers are created equal.

or he believes that Cat Shaker's race was good enough to head for the BC...
:D

I noticed that too!! Remember when he did it in the BC Juvi!! And then in the Tampa Bay Derby!! Oh god, can you recall that Kentucky Derby!! Phew, talk about a quitter!! He just plain threw in the towel twice at Saratoga in the Dandy and Travers!! Man, what a waste, they should just geld him and put him out to a farm!

Not joking at all.This is the Fifth race that SS weakened and lost.And in the Travers he was almost beaten and embarrassed by an allowance winner.

True, but he seems to fire on a variety of dirt tracks (CD, Pimlico, and Saratoga) in a way he simply does not on poly. I still like his chances, but I can't really say how much I like his chances until I see how Lawyer Ron handles 10f in JCGC.
A lot will of course depend - as it always does - on how the pace scenario shapes up. If there are a couple of horses in the race that will ensure a contested pace, I think Street Sense will probably be my pick.
Of course, a lot can change between now and then.

evidently SS doesn't stand for street sense, must be another SS racing.....

What the hell do you mean he "weakened and lost" this race? Have you seen the race? A very good colt got an uncontested lead, set moderate fractions, and Street Sense couldn't get by him in the stretch.
Please explain how "weakened and lost" is a good explanation of what happened.

Can anyone remind me what SS did after his other poly preps?

It seems to have slipped my mind...

Again, congrats to Hard Spun...

I just wish they would try him on turf or run him in the BC Dirt Mile...

makes sense, its still early but I just can't see it turning out his way. just not seeing enough late punch from him to think he's going to put them all away.

nice horse though, i admire his workmanlike consistency.

It is a waste of time to chat with you guys.Just wanted to talk about the race,and in predictable Derby Trail.com,Dee Tee fashion,all I get is sarcasm and smart ass comments.I should have known better than to even post here.

which race? the race where some SS horse played hanger, or the hard spun-street sense race?

nice win by hard spun, he finally turned the tables--but yes, the ultimate goal is weeks away, and we all know what street sense accomplished after his previous poly races.

Nothing ridiculous about it at all.It just clashed because it wasn't in agreement with "YOU" god forbid,so when that happens,you and your little club do nothing but resort to your usual idiocy of sarcasm and ridicule of people.Good day!!

Why?

So he could lose at a short price and you could bet against him?

I thought his Drifty posts were the funniest things Ive laid my eyes on today until this one. Classic pic.

I think he would be at better odds then he will be in the Classic and lose...if you think he wouldn't excel at a mile or possibly on turf, you are just kidding yourself...a nice win on the needles would make him a more lucrative sire in my mind as well...

I also have bet on him and won some nice money in the past...

So stick that in your editorial....

I really like Hard Spun (and love Larry Jones for that matter), I really like Street Sense. At the Classic distance on real dirt, SS wins. On Syn, going shorter then a 1 mile and a quarter, I took Hard Spun.

You and your hate for SS blinds you sometimes, knocks you and all your intelligent posts down a few notches...its really too bad....

Stick that into your editorial and proofread it.

Burrrrrrninated.

Where did I say Street Sense's name in this thread?

That was an oddly timed situation for using a "you hate Street Sense" - the ever-so underrated Street Sense who was bet to favortisim in a race he was a bad setup for.

No time to proofread when you are drowning your sorrows of your alma matters loss...

The only thing I see right now is a dimishing bottle of O'Rielly's Pinot Noir and a blurry computer screen...

At least your alma mater isn't getting beat by a Fagg.

None of my money was on SS. I didn't like him in this spot...

I did think Hard Spun would win, and bet that way. I don't like him in the classic, I think its a waste of a run for a really great horse. If I am wrong, I am wrong and I will admit it, but I just don't see him getting the race he needs to win in the BC Classic.

I think he would win the Dirt mile, even over your beloved Discreet Cat (who I also like). I would love loved to see Hard Spun run over the turf. I think he would have loved it, and done very well on it.

Your abhorrence for SS is well documented.