Pete

Retama Park.

Max

Houston,Tx

donald

louisiana

This is why I am even more pissed off about this law. I work during the day and with classes added to that schedule I cannot make it to the OTB's until late afternoon/early evening. But the simulcast schedule at Famous Sam's, The Old Father Inn, and everywhere else it very, very limited due to the dog tracks. Lori knows this as well as I do. Totally sucks.

Did make a few phone calls and there are a couple of groups that have a great deal more power and money than us on the board that are already getting involved in the fight...

Just curious......is the Lottery legal in Arizona?

If so, that would qualify as hypocritical....no?

that would make them like VT...where the lotto and powerball are big business but wagering on horses through almost all outlets is prohibited.

The lottery is quite legal in Arizona, in fact, Powerball is extremely popular in the state.

NT

John
Illinois

How's this for a slogan? Kil Kyl

Dave

Bozrah, CT

I find it very hypocritical that the state of AZ allows wagers from ADW's into their local betting pools. Is it a crime or not?

This is a big issue that I have with it. They have established a 1-way street, for money to come into the state from around the country from ADW's, yet ban any money from leaving to support racing anywhere else in the country. That is wrong, and manipulates the market in a very unfair way.

ALostTexan

KLo

Virginia

Laura

Vidor, Texas

Chad

Indiana

Not only is it an invasion of privacy, but they are simply going to drive people to use offshore books. If people want to gamble, they are going to find a way to do it and by letting this law stand, they are only costing themselves and the horseman money in the future.

gary

ohio

methinks you are supposed to put up borders to keep people out, not in.

Tom
NY (and Tucson AZ every Feb)


It's already very hard to play the horses in Az, everything revolves around the dog tracks. The OTB's only let you play a few races from each track and not complete cards-Ridiculous!

Tom,

Hope you at least make it to Rillito during Feb when you are in Tucson. Not really a part of the issue here, as they aren't carried by any of the ADW's.

ALostTexan

Mostly I'm out there for work, but I try to make it at least once a year. The place Rocks! Love the whole scene.

roger
wisconsin

Bill T.
Milford, NJ

Bad law and should not be passed by the legislature or signed by the Gov.

Isn't it ironic that politicians from Arizona would come up with this idiotic law? Its not as if Arizona doesn't have a myriad of problems to deal with.

the law was passed may 3 and signed by the governor may 8.

and you're now organizing a protest by mainly out of state residents?

















i'm not suggesting this is a waste of time.


















but i don't think karl rove has anything to fear from you yet.

Vote with your betting dollars
 

I hope the hard working students in the Racetrack Industry Program at U of A are taking notes. As long as racing is managed and promoted on a regional basis, this kind of development will continue.

Rather than haranguing the misguided electorate of Arizona, we should all make certain to show our displeasure to Turf Paradise management by not betting on their signal at any time, through any account provider or off-track betting location.

David M. Miller

Agreed. This may be a waste of time, but if it makes it any more difficult to pass legislation such as this in other states in the future it is worth it.

I am still quite amazed that this bill was passed without any notice of the ADW's or horseplayers. And in the state where I reside, no less.

I want the horsemen especially to know that this was a very unpopular move, and that they are the ones that will suffer in the end. And if this movement does anything to change the OTB situation in the state, the I have accomplished something. We have a very, very weak OTB setup, and it does eliminate most of the opportunity to wager on the races for myself.

I am also quite unhappy at the lies that Turf Paradise and Yavaipi are releasing to the racing media. They are making statements that simply are not true.

I appreciate the interest and help that everyone has shown and offered regarding this matter, and if it makes it any more difficult to pass legislation such as this into the future, then we have accomplished something as a group.

ALostTexan

I will PM you at a later time. However, I find it fascinating that Arizona hosts the big simulcasting conference each year.

Hb 2694.....
 

Is disturbingly UNFAIR! To equate the placing of a wager on a horse race, dog race, or any sporting event for that matter, with committing such crimes as a sexual assault, is beyond obsurd! It's about as wrong as wrong can get! What's next, if this allowed to pass?Maybe we should we lock up parking tickets offenders under the same statues as AX MURDERS? No, this bill is insanity, and should be killed BLACK FLAG DEAD!


Michael,
Jacksonville, Florida

Not so surprising when one realizes that Arizona is being increasingly populated by expat Californians.

Update


This morning I made the trip up to Phoenix to meet with the Interim Executive Director of the Arizona Horsemen's Benevolent Protection Agency, Tom Metzen, and with Eugene Joyce, General Manage of Turf Paradise. I walked away from the meeting with as much confusion and more frustration as I entered.

Presentation------------------------------------------------------------
To begin, I copied the Jon Forbes article from The Bloodhorse, and explained that regardless if these men were interested or not the rest of the industry is listening to members of the online forums, which didn't seem interest either of them. I then presented each with the list of 95 members of DerbyTrail.com and PaceAdvantage.com that have shown displeasure with the new law. After I tried to explain on somewhat deaf ears how many people across the country are unhappy with Arizona racing, I showed them 5 pages of comments left by everyone on the forums, pointing out how many were totally through with Arizona racing. Finally I showed them the front page of http://www.boycott-az-racing.com/, which got a bit of a laugh.

Discussion--------------------------------------------------------------
This entire law boils down to Source Market Fees, and the belief that the tracks in Phoenix and Prescott Valley should receive money on any and all wagers placed from the state, regarless of the track (such as Belmont) or location of the bettor (Douglas or St. Johns, for example). This is a very debatable topic, and one that I am not going to pursue. But the fact is millions of dollars are sitting in escrow accounts to be paid to Source Market Fees, but the current plan worked out by the horsemen of Arizona will not take the money.

I was quite irritated by the stance that ADW's contribute "nothing to live racing", and had to point out that money is comingled to the pools in the state, as well as license fees (according to one ADW), so money is pouring into live racing in the state. Both wanted to argue with me on this but were unable to, and both tried the stance that people were betting over the phone on Arizona races, which is total BS. If you were an Arizona resident, you couldn't place a bet through an ADW on Arizona races, and I have a difficult time seeing someone coming from out of the state to Yavapai Downs. Again, it comes back to Source Market Fees that would be gladly paid by the ADW's if the tracks would accept it.

I discussed the fact that OTB's in the state basically suck. If you want a very limited number of races from certain tracks, such as races 1-3 at Belmont or Races 3-6 at Santa Anita, then the OTB's in the state, especially in Southern Arizona, are fine, but who can handicap a card not being sure what is going to be covered that day. The product that the tracks provide is suboptimal, which is one reason that so many horseplayers were forced to bet online.

The three of us discussed the Indian situation in the state, and that under the current political leadership, nothing is likely to change anytime soon, meaning that this bill will only be overturned by the courts and not counter legislation.

Conclusion--------------------------------------------------------------
To be honest, I actually believe Mr. Joyce in that Turf Paradise wants ADW's in the state, and that in order to get a clear judgement on ADW's in the state a stiff law such as that had to be passed. I honestly believe that they hope the law is challenged in court and is shown to be unlawful, so that ADW's can reopen to the state.

I have a belief that the horseplayers will be included in future drives to change legislation in the state, which has obviously not be case in the past. I have the feeling that Mr. Joyce is on the side of the horseplayers in the end.

As for Mr. Metzen of the Arizona HBPA, I honestly felt I was wasting his time. He didn't seem to care one bit about what the horseplayers felt about this, and didn't seem to care of the impact that online horseplayers make on the game. From the moment that this meeting was scheduled, he seemed to be only be paying lip service to me and all of us I tried to represent.

Comments--------------------------------------------------------------
I am now up to comments on the meeting, and the suspected outcome of this meeting. Does anyone actually feel that anything will come of this, because I honestly do not. I hope that isn't the case, but what do you think?

I appreciate everyone's comments and support in this, and hopefully our voice will be heard in the end. Too often the one group that honestly supports racing is screwed, and that is the bettors.

See in Arizona even the money was too much to pass up in the end.

http://www.drf.com/news/arizona-legi...-wagering-bill

You dont have 84-7 vote counts with a veto, even in this state.

as someone pointed out the ADW's have to work out the fee structure so that could take some time as the bill requires Tup to get some of the money.

SB 1282 was transmitted on the 24th, and the Governor hasn't taken any action on it as of this morning.

I do think the provision that requires Advanced Deposits to be done only be telephone is a little silly.

Did not even see that, kinda painful.

So I read where the Governor signed the bill, however you can only bet over the phone, but not on the internet!! Amazing you can carry a gun into a bank out here in the wild west, but you cant effing bet on-line. WTF, some world we live in now days!!

I thought they were talking about deposits, it clearly says that phone is considered phone or internet. I have to read it again. Phone only would be painful.

Got this from the Paulick Report website

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed legislation that has legalized telephone wagering on horse and dog races. For many years, Arizona law has prohibited ADW wagering by residents of the state.

The bill was passed by the legislature a few weeks ago; however, language was removed that would’ve allowed placing bets via the Internet.

According to an Associated Press report, Gov. Brewer vetoed part of the legislation that would’ve allowed $1.2 million of the state’s budget to go to the Ariz

Yea just read it, pretty clear its phone only. Painful. I assume you will still be able to track your account and wagers but just not place them.

Better than nothing.

You would think. Doesn't go in effect for 90 days