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Does anyone think there's a possibility that Rags is not injured and that they are just sore losers that don't want to blemish her record by risking losing the Distaff??
I'm not saying I think that's what happened because I believe she's really injured, but that entered the back of my head. |
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As I recall he seemed to bear out in the stretch but maybe I am not remembering it well. IT's hardly crucial to the main argument is it? |
What a disappointment. Thank you for the news. I hadn't heard.
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By the way, where were all these new fans that people told us Rags brought to the sport? The return of Rags, the debut of the $16 million horse, four graded stakes races..........7500 or so fans.
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john servis, after the belmont: "He's going to get three or four weeks just to rest up and then we'll get him ready and put him on a schedule and map out a plan for the Breeders' Cup. He came out of the race really good." |
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Lives are so overrated.
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Tough campaigns obviously can, and often do, wear horses down. The Belmont Stakes, for many horses in history ( less so now ), is the culmination of virtually an entire career of " prep " races. The fact that some horses need rest after that race is not a function of the Belmont whatsoever, it is merely the temporary end of a long and arduous journey.
What is interesting to me is that through the flawed arguments offered by some in this thread we have seen that, in fact, the Belmont has been the springboard for many major stakes over the following 18 months. |
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U may say that the horses coming out of the Belmont may only need a rest. U are probably right. U've probably forgotten more about horse racing than I'll ever learn. But what I do know is that in the past seven years, we've gotten a combined total of six races and three wins post Belmont from the seven winners of the race in the remainder of their 3yo seasons. That's just not good. If it's not the Belmont, something is obviously going wrong these days. |
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also, you need to consider a horse past three (IF he makes it that far). there are plenty of reasons why a horse may need an extended break, whether from a grueling spring, or from any number of issues. citation missed his entire four year old season for example. seattle slew didn't run again after his dismal swaps stakes. i doubt the belmont was the cause, but due to the combined efforts of his spring campaign. |
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damn, just how bad IS notre dame?? |
Trip notes say Smarty: "...drifted out when struck left handed with the whip in upper stretch and again nearing the eight pole..."
Maybe you can call DRF or whomever and tell them that didnt happen? |
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Those are the drf trip notes.
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Yeah, I wasnt sure whether DRF or BRIS does them because I know there are at least two different charts made so maybe the notes are shared or maybe they have different.
I actually did ask Stewart Elliot about the race months after the hoopla died. I was concerned about the way Smarty took the turn but he said that he usually was somewhat wide but it did concern about the horse bearing out in the lane. Which is kinda why I got confused about how wide Smarty was or what was it exactly. Elliot said the horse really didnt slow down till right at the end, but like the other guy said they can bear out for lots of reasons. If you get a chance to ask Elliot or Servis they will likely tell you that this horse was never the same after Belmont. Elliot was approachable back then but maybe they get jaded after people ask them the same stuff.. |
At some point the "BS meter" might get old, but we are a long way from that at this point.
It makes me laugh every time I see it....especially when it is used as appropriately as it was in this case. |
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i think the two baseball games (mets and yanks) helped keep fans away. They were big games also. Combine that with college football. I still think there should have been a lot more people at the track though! It felt so empty.
Oh yeah, Go Phillies!! |
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I guess even he is sick of talking about the '04 Belmont. |
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yeah, well birdstone told me you can never believe smarty--that he was named 'smarty' for a reason! don't believe me? go ask birdstone yourself! besides, i verified it with ol' marylou, she says birdstone is honest as the day is long. but his mama--whew, that gal makes up stories (marylous' words, not mine!). |
i hate to speak for anybody, especially andy, but i think his point was that it's the entire triple crown campaign, preps included, that will wear a horse out. after making it all the way to the belmont, a 3yo will most likely need a breather, perhaps for a very extended period of time. and if that colt happened to be running for 5mil, he may have gone in the belmont when he really shouldn't have. definitely monarchos should not have run, and many would say funny cide could have used a break after the preakness. if they were in a different order, say kd,b,p, we'd have a thread that says the preakness has done it again.
i still think it's the derby. look what it did to barbaro. |
It is the focus on the Derby rather than on the whole Triple Crown that is causing the problems. Everyone is campaigning their horse to be at their best come Derby Day and not giving any thought to having them prepared to go on to the Preakness and the Belmont. Two years in a row we had horses skip a March prep (Closing Argument and Barbaro) which lead to them running their best race in the Derby and then suffering a career ending injury in the Preakness. Barbaro had never even run on less than five weeks rest before the Preakness. How can you condition a horse to run on 5-8 weeks rest and then suddenly expect them to run back in two weeks off the longest and most demanding race of their life or to run three times in five weeks? I think the trainers need to take the focus off just having a fresh horse for the Derby and instead on having a horse prepared for the Triple Crown or we will just keep on seeing more horses wiped out by the Triple Crown.
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