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This was taken from a horse veterinarian

Although bucked shins are commonly accepted by
veterinarians, trainers, and owners as a normal
training event in young Thoroughbred racehorses,
with estimated losses to the industry of only
$10,000,000/yr in lost training and racing days, it is
far more important than that! Approximately 12%
of horses that buck their shins go on to develop
stress or saucer fractures later in their career.
Besides the aggravation of yet another lameness
occurring at the peak potential earning period in the
horse’s career, these are the animals at risk for
mid-cannon bone fractures, which represent approximately
10% of the fatal catastrophic musculoskeletal
breakdown injuries that occur on the racetracks
in North America each year.

the falacy is that they shouldn't go into training....the fact is that even if you wait and start traingin a horse when it turns 3 or even 4 they are most likely just going to buck their shin then....there are carefully prescribed training regimens that can reduce the risk but it is a fact of life that most horses (of any age) are likely to buck shins when they begin training....and that the inflamation and subsequent healing is beneficial for improving bone density....training a horse when it is young enough to rigorously remodel bone is actually better for the horse down the road, especially in a dicipline where speed (and therefore bone loading) is crucial.

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Originally Posted by boswd

the horses that go on to develop stress and saucer fractures are often the ones who, when they buck shins are put up and given complete rest....the bone does not properly remodel and then when they go back into training it happens again....a horse with bucked shins needs to be kept in light work.

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

Thanks Thebby, I was googling for an article but you described it very well. :)

I guess the answer lies somewhere in between. Trainers are pushing the horses too much too early but your point is well taken.

This is a very interesting article

http://www.horsemanpro.com/articles/age_criteria.htm

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Originally Posted by ELA

A great deal of that (I took the liberty of bolding that part) is in reality nothing more than supposition, and while there might be "data" to back up opinion or supposition, in this case it might be an exercise in futility. 2yo's have been racing on dirt forever, and still are (and unless the standardbred industry is going to change, they will continue to do so as well). There's never been an alternative until recent times, hence the passion and the controversy so to speak.

Bucked shins will continue to happen and different people are going to blame and point to problems and solutions. That's what makes the world go 'round, LOL. This certainly isn't a Bob Baffert issue.

Many people have very passionate opinions on dirt, poly/synthetic/etc. and I think the verdict is still out because all of the evidence is not in. This is going to be a life-cycle and now it's still in it's infancy.

Eric

It definetly is not a Baffert issue, other than Maimomides is the horse in question.
Also, it could be the surface, as per the following from the article

Racehorses that have trained and raced successfully in Europe
may develop bucked shins when they race in North
America on dirt tracks. It is interesting to note
that horses are running on harder surfaces in North
America than on the turf courses in Europe.

The above was from the first page of the article I previously linked too.

There are many results from artificial surfaces we dont know yet, speculation, arguments, etc, could all be moot until concrete numbers are in, and it could be a whole generation to get these.

What I dont understand is the knock on the west coast poly vs the Keeneland poly. It seems the critics of the races at Keeneland havent been as big as the races at DM or I just wasnt reading it as much.

I do think DM might tweak the poly for next year, as they had to get the horse mortality rate down.
On a side note, they really need to work on the turf course, which if you you go to the DM website, the cam showing the track shows the turf course has already been ripped up.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Though I wouldn't subscribe to the following theory, after reading this thread a few moments ago I thought for sure that someone would have pointed to Maimonides' sire's fragility as a factor.

it surprised me too actually....
but wasn't vindication out with a tendon problem?

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was just reminded how much I dislike bold Brooklynite.

I could list a few other people I dislike more though. :D

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I don't remember his specific injury.

Now I'll shoot for the moon: three pages in and this thread is still on topic!

I just looked it up actually...he tore a suspensory ligament.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was just reminded how much I dislike bold Brooklynite.

Well, he made a claim in there that will fall this year...

"no 2yo champion has ever repeated as 3yo champion in 27 years [Spectacular Bid]"

...which Street Sense is 1/9 to do.

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Originally Posted by theiman

There are many results from artificial surfaces we dont know yet, speculation, arguments, etc, could all be moot until concrete numbers are in, and it could be a whole generation to get these.

What I dont understand is the knock on the west coast poly vs the Keeneland poly. It seems the critics of the races at Keeneland havent been as big as the races at DM

wouldn't fit their agenda

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Originally Posted by philcski

Well, he made a claim in there that will fall this year...

"no 2yo champion has ever repeated as 3yo champion in 27 years [Spectacular Bid]"

...which Street Sense is 1/9 to do.

A Curlin win in the Jockey Club Gold Cup or Classic without a Street Sense win over older horses would probably make that untrue. 1-9 is way too low. Even money maybe. Street Sense didn't look too sharp at Saratoga if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Benevolus

we've covered this topic in past years. street sense has it wrapped up, no doubt. derby win, followed by the jim dandy and travers, while curlin has the preakness and....oh, wait, no wins since, correct? curlin can win the jcgc, and won't make a dent in 3 yo honors.
as for the bcc...well, that remains to be seen. but i don't expect curlin to win it. or street sense for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Benevolus

Curlins big wins
ARK Derby
Preakness
JC Gold Cup(presumed)

Street Sense big wims
TB Derby
KY Derby
Jim Dandy
Travers

Not a contest so far especially in light of the Tampa race looking much better since the emergence of AGS. And that is giving Curlin the Gold Cup which is not a given.