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Originally Posted by djw

I have not thought about some of the tracks that Cardus listed in a long, long time. When I was a kid, the Globe and the Herald used to cover the Wonderland Derby in a huge way, and I am sure the Record-American did before that. I am dating myself a little with theat reference. I have done all the NE tracks, thought Green Mountain was the most beautiful spot next to Saratoga to watch any kind of race. Dingy, but the surroundings were incredible. Shoreline Star - you still know you are in Bridgeport. Wonderland used to be the palce to be on a Saturday night. Most guys who grew up betting anywhere around Boston will laugh and smil when they hear "There goes Swifty.... and they're off!!!" Last point, I can't remember the other dog involved, but when Rosster Cogburn had a 3 race match race set up, you couldn't get onto the apron to see it the track was so full. Wonderland does not draw that may people (or teeth) now in a month's time. The power the Carney's have, and how they have used it to try and put Charlie Sarkis out of business, is unreal.

The Carney's power in the Massachusetts racing industry is quite something. They pretty single handidly hold up simulcast bills every legislative year because they want more and more. They are doing it in their own best interest and the interests of their facility, which is commendable, but they should realize their hard line stances have ruined Massachusetts from a racing competitiveness stand point.

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Have you ever been a bowler?

If so, you may know some bowlers are "spot" bowlers. They make the roll strategy "simple" by picking a spot on the set of arrows that is most likely going to result in their particular roll style hit the desired spot on the standing pins.

That's a way to handicap greyhounds, to some degree. Particularly in a 5/16 race if you can simply handicap the 3 or 4 dogs to come out of the first turn and still be near the lead you could have a pretty good chance in quinella, exacta and trifecta wagers.

Any dog that has a chance of closing from beyond the top 4 after the first turn usually shows pretty clearly in the form and can be factored/played accordingly.

I pay close attention to past performance in terms of a dog liking an inside or outside route, and then look at speed and endurance. If a dog looks like it likes an inside route, and has the speed to clear the first turn in front.....and doesn't show a tendency to tire.....that's a solid play.

Of course the #1 dog has a statistical advantage in most cases because normally there will not be a dog on the inside of it on the front stretch to drift out and knock offstride. On a similar note, I do look for likely collisions that could happen on the first turn due to multiple dogs likely wanting to be in the same place at the same time.

I've played dog tracks from Florida (every one, including the old track at South Beach.....long gone), Wisconsin, Arizona, New England and I think every state that has/had 'em including West "by golly" Virginia.

I've done pretty well over the years. Oh, and by the way, don't bet every race....of course. Pick your spots. And if you play win-place-show watch the pools closely. Normally not much $$ there and it's amazing how low of a "win" wager can make the odds board change.

I miss the dog tracks. Wish we had 'em out here in California.

this is probably a better strategy than what i was do.

i always bet the gray.

i win some but it never seems to cover the takeout.

A dogtrack regular was discussing his strategy with me that made some sense. As everyone keeps harping on, dogs are all about the trip and those in the clear have big advantages. That's why the 1 and 8 win more than their share since they will only have competition on one side and can avoid a pinch. The break is critical. Anyway, the theory is to track the tendency of a given dog to break "in", "straight", or "out". He knows them well enough to see if a dog breaks the say way over and over. By tracking these tendencies, you can identify the ones that will break into each other and the ones that will get the clear run. For example, you look at the 3 and see he goes straight, while the 2 usually goes in and the 4 goes out. That will give him a couple of paths of clear space. On a negative, find a favorite that will likely have problems with an adjacent dog and bet against. Obviously you have to track the dogs and watch some tape to pick up on this, but since they race every few days, I would think the initial homework could sustain itself for awhile at a given racetrack.

The MAIN problem with dog racing is the small pools, thereby smaller payouts relative to the difficulty in coming up with the winning numbers. The only "life changing" score available in dog racing is the twin tri or tri/super wagers, which are nothing more than lottery tickets. A friend of mine, an extremely intelligent guy, has spent years trying to beat the dogs, it is extraordinarily difficult. I used to play the dogs as well as the horses, but it just takes too much time to handicap the dog races (for me, anyway). I have given up.

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Originally Posted by golfer

At the right tracks, I've done pretty well over the years boxing two dogs with four others in the tri's. $24 wager. Lots of at least double digit collecting action, and a good amount of triple digit collecting, and a fair share of signers.

Now, I say "the right tracks" cause the pool is everything.

I was at the Phoenix dog track last year and I swear there were less than 50 people in the place. No fun betting there.

But, I do enjoy watching their live races on the internet occasionally. Even with no wager.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

The downward spiral of Florida's greyhound racing continues...

http://www.bradenton.com/sports/story/124798.html

They were butting heads with Derby Lane in St. Pete...both running live racing at the same time...this area can't support two tracks running simultaneously....people living in Tampa will drive to St. Pete for live racing to avoid going to Tampa Greyhound...no comparison between the two tracks for live racing...

They are shutting down live racing to become a full time poker facility...

Walking into tampa's track, you had better be carrying an uzi, I've actually seen assault's take place there. Derby lane is such a beautiful track, but like all good things, it too is nearing its death. I was there a few months ago and in race 5 there was 106 dollars in the win pool.... Now I'm not a mathmetician but Making your own odds is a very very bad proposition.