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Coach Pants 07-06-2007 12:00 AM

The only good I can see that could come out of this is Leparoux moving his tack from Turfway this winter. It was ridiculous that he was there this year.

The Bid 07-06-2007 07:24 AM

Its hard to detect unless you have a fridge full of vials labled "TOXIC, COBRA VENOM"

I guess we should forgive him, afterall he is French

robfla 07-06-2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
I guess we should forgive him, afterall he is French


The Bid 07-06-2007 08:29 AM

If that thing came with a fold out syringe we could rest comfortably knowing Biancone had one.

That things pretty funny Rob, just got done reading through all the options

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Concern
Cobra venom is used to deaden the nerve endings, making it possible for an injured horse to run without feeling any pain. Should the pre-existing injury that is being masked by the venom lead to an unfortunate breakdown, all of the horses and jockeys in the race are potentially in danger of losing their lives. This is a very serious offense and life in prison is not an unrealistic penalty in this case.

Life in prison for possesion of cobra venom is a little harsh, dont ya think?

The Bid 07-06-2007 11:19 AM

Probably a good punishment for Biancone would be taking away his cigarettes

Concern 07-06-2007 03:12 PM

I'm not suggesting that mere possession of cobra venom could lead to life in prison. However, if it is proven that he knowingly used it on a horse, that is a different matter open to a number of federal charges.

parsixfarms 07-06-2007 03:28 PM

Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

Sightseek 07-06-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

I completely agree.

Spendabuck85 07-06-2007 03:33 PM

I agree, jockeys have been banned so why not a trainer.

Left Bank 07-06-2007 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

I've stated this already,and what I don't get is how they can toss the jockey's off the property for alleged cheating/wagering scams with no explanation,Yet this guy is caught red handed and they do nothing.

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.

There is no doubt in my mind if he didn't have the powerful owners that he has he would have been tossed off the grounds of Keeneland on the spot. As much as I hate to say it I believe he will skate on this. Just as Assmussen and other high profile guys never seem to lose any business despite troubles similar to this. The "leaders" of the industry are not that concerned with cleaning up the sport because many of them are highly involved with those who need to be cleansed. Sad but true.

sumitas 07-06-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Concern
I'm not suggesting that mere possession of cobra venom could lead to life in prison. However, if it is proven that he knowingly used it on a horse, that is a different matter open to a number of federal charges.

It would seem that an illegal substance adminstered to a horse that results in injury or worse to the jockey might result in serious consequences for those responsible.

The Bid 07-06-2007 07:22 PM

Chuck, I know you are usually right but I think Mr Biancone is going to go on a vacation for this, and not a short one. Class 1, injectables in the barn, and the guy has already been in trouble, is it possible he gets off with a slapped wrist? I cant believe hes still allowed to enter, amazing.

ForestofWonders 07-06-2007 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Is it me, or is it ridiculous that racing jurisdictions are continuing to accept entries from this guy? If they have the evidence, the tracks should enforce their private property rights and revoke his stalls and bar him from running. Otherwise, this mess will get dragged through the legal system (and I say this as a lawyer), and justice will be delayed and denied.

Before people start with the "innocent until proven guilty" line, as far as racing goes, this is not a criminal matter. The same rights/protections do not apply. The stall applications at most tracks say that management has the absolute right to deny/revoke privileges (similar to an at-will employee who can be fired at any time, for any reason or no reason at all) at any time. I wish some of these track execs would have the guts to exercise these rights; until they do, cleaning up the game will be left to the ineffective government regulators.


They dont seem to have a problem banning jockeys that haven't been charged with anything yet.

good point

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Chuck, I know you are usually right but I think Mr Biancone is going to go on a vacation for this, and not a short one. Class 1, injectables in the barn, and the guy has already been in trouble, is it possible he gets off with a slapped wrist? I cant believe hes still allowed to enter, amazing.

I hope that I am wrong on this one. But I just get this feeling that he is going to get a 60 day suspension which will be appealed forever until he takes his days a la Pletcher in the winter when he would not run much anyway. He wont lose any horses or clients and as soon as he is done with his vacation things will go back to being status quo.

The Bid 07-06-2007 08:35 PM

If that happens it will be TRAGIC

I hate to wish bad on anyone but hes had more than enough chances

I can only thing of one other guy who could get away with having King Cobras in their tackroom fridge on the grounds of Keeneland or Churchill

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
If that happens it will be TRAGIC

I hate to wish bad on anyone but hes had more than enough chances

I can only thing of one other guy who could get away with having King Cobra on the grounds of Keeneland or Churchill

I can think of 5. TP,KM,SM,SA,DR.

The Bid 07-06-2007 08:44 PM

All of them and Cresini. Hes been known to keep the fridge stocked with King Cobras

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
All of them and Cresini. Hes been known to keep the fridge stocked with King Cobras

He is an untouchable....literally

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 08:48 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/86497.html

Read this and tell me you wont start having doubts about what is going to happen

The Bid 07-06-2007 08:49 PM

:D

Dont think they couldnt open up that fridge at anytime and find a few king cobras.

The Bid 07-06-2007 08:52 PM

Sounds like theres a grey area. THe only saving grace is it basically boils down to racefixing.

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 08:52 PM

They could draw blood on him and it would come out King Cobra laced

Cannon Shell 07-06-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Sounds like theres a grey area. THe only saving grace is it basically boils down to racefixing.

If they can tie him to actually using it. The other case they had a lot more evidence (phone taps, distribution, etc) than they have here

Riot 07-06-2007 08:56 PM

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Read this and tell me you wont start having doubts about what is going to happen
Isn't it possible the Keeneland search was initiated due to extension from the harness case, where they were distributors?

The Bid 07-06-2007 08:57 PM

Are we sure they dont have any wire taps or phone calls in this case? They must have had more than some groom saying there is snake venom in the fridge. There has to be some very legit information for them to storm his barn, at least I would think

Riot 07-06-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Are we sure they dont have any wire taps or phone calls in this case? They must have had more than some groom saying there is snake venom in the fridge. There has to be some very legit information for them to storm his barn, at least I would think

True, but thinking more on this ... if state law enforcement was contacted, wouldn't it be they that would "storm the barn"? It was only Kee security and administration, no?

The Bid 07-06-2007 09:08 PM

I dont know if Keeneland would let law enforcement come on the grounds and storm a barn. Figure Biancones best owners probably account for alot of the bigger tickets at the sales. Now that Im thinking about what Chuck said Im wondering how Keeneland will handle it.

Riot 07-06-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
I dont know if Keeneland would let law enforcement come on the grounds and storm a barn. Figure Biancones best owners probably account for alot of the bigger tickets at the sales. Now that Im thinking about what Chuck said Im wondering how Keeneland will handle it.

Is not KHRA the legal (police) arm overseeing racing in KY?

The Bid 07-06-2007 09:29 PM

All I know is Keeneland makes the rules in Lexington. Whatever they decide will be

fpsoxfan 07-06-2007 09:55 PM

I have a bruised heal from a great wiffle ball game tonight. I'd love to get my hands on some of that shiat before I play golf tomorow.

The Bid 07-06-2007 09:56 PM

You would walk 36 if you had Biancones Venom. He gets the good ****

fpsoxfan 07-06-2007 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
You would walk 36 if you had Biancones Venom. He gets the good ****

lol...Must be good stuff.:D

fpsoxfan 07-06-2007 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
You would walk 36 if you had Biancones Venom. He gets the good ****

By the way congrats on #1500.....

The Bid 07-06-2007 10:05 PM

Thanks! Couldnt have done it without you guys

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-06-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I have a bruised heal from a great wiffle ball game tonight. I'd love to get my hands on some of that shiat before I play golf tomorow.

Will you have a "bar shoe" or "aluminum pad" on tomorrow??? :D

Danzig 07-07-2007 02:32 PM

Preventing venom use 'difficult'
By MATT HEGARTY
LEXINGTON, Ky. - Facts about cobra venom that many people in horse racing probably do not know: It's easy for a veterinarian to obtain. It's legal to possess. There is very little hope of devising a test to detect its administration any time soon.....

http://www.drf.com/news/article/86497.html
Link to DRF article...


FOLKS.. Please do not lift articles.. LINK THEM..

sumitas 07-07-2007 03:21 PM

Thanks for the article. At least the 2 cheaters in NY have been prosecuted and I hope they get the 4 years in jail and a lifetime ban from horse racing.

Something has got to be done. The article does state the venom is not effective after 4 hours so that brings in the detention barn as part of the solution.


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