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Past Post 07-02-2007 09:12 PM

Once the group is formed,others will be beating down the door to get inn.It will work,I can tell just by the reaction of some of the members coming on here and saying they want inn.

pgardn 07-02-2007 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Ateam, while this is true with most internet boards, not here my friend. I haven't met a single clown on here yet. I would trust every single person I have met on this

The Bid... welched on a bet with Babs....

ONe problems is with good cappers you got very strong opinions. ANd hooves is right about a nightmare. If you could actually sit down face to face I think its possible. But on a board... I'll never forget when hooves and others were questioning Oracle about one of his mortal locks and he said he would eat his DRF if the horse lost.

I dont think Oracle ever actually tasted the newspaper ink.

Lava 07-02-2007 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Again, you have to circuitize it. Something like this would only be worthwhile in California, you probably get about 20 opportunies a year in California for a 1 million dollar pot, if you got 10k as your starting bankroll, you would have 20 $500 tickets....

Now, I wouldn't recommend just doing $500 tickets but it is the idea that you really would only need 10 people at 1k a piece

If you set the bankroll at 10K I would set 1 share at $50 a total of 200 shares and let people buy as many shares as they would like till every share is filled. That would make it so more people can get in on it, also it would make so people can see how it works out before they send more money to the leader. I would not send 1K to someone I have never met, but I would send 50 to 200.

Past Post 07-02-2007 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mortyfeatherhands
This is about the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.

From a purely logistical standpoint of course.






Oh it's stupid from any standpoint.

Why not just call out for John Dillinger to hold the money?


Why are there always a few that think everyone is dishonest.Thanks for your opinion. JOHN !

ArlJim78 07-02-2007 09:21 PM

I agree with scavs that California tracks would be the main focus. But there are sometimes other nice carry's, BC day etc.

Mortimer 07-02-2007 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Past Post
Why are there always a few that think everyone is dishonest.Thanks for your opinion. JOHN !




ror!


Get outta heah Dillinger!

The Bid 07-02-2007 09:24 PM

PGD, you dont have a clue what you are talking about welching a hundred dollar bet. Get real you d bag

Scav 07-02-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lava
If you set the bankroll at 10K I would set 1 share at $50 a total of 200 shares and let people buy as many shares as they would like till every share is filled. That would make it so more people can get in on it, also it would make so people can see how it works out before they send more money to the leader. I would not send 1K to someone I have never met, but I would send 50 to 200.

I agree 100%..The one thing is that you couldn't allow anyone to get more then 5% ownership, and you would allow the 3 decision makers to have 10% each, while the other 70% owned by investors, which not one investor would own more then 5%

Lava 07-02-2007 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I agree 100%..The one thing is that you couldn't allow anyone to get more then 5% ownership, and you would allow the 3 decision makers to have 10% each, while the other 70% owned by investors, which not one investor would own more then 5%

You are right.

Past Post 07-02-2007 09:27 PM

I think breeders cup is just around the corner,it could very well be the goal for our future group to attack the track.Lot of dead money on those days.I will welcome anyone who thinks they might want to join in if I can form this group.

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:28 PM

If you combined all of the tickets posted today...would it have hit?

Past Post 07-02-2007 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lava
You are right.



Yes,great format.

Past Post 07-02-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
If you combined all of the tickets posted today...would it have hit?


No doubt in my mind that the cappers on this site if the money was there,they would of hit this pick 6 today.Do you agree with me on this Steve ?

Scav 07-02-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
If you combined all of the tickets posted today...would it have hit?

I doubt it, 2nd, 3rd and 6th leg winners were hard IMO

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Past Post
No doubt in my mind that the cappers on this site if the money was there,they would of hit this pick 6 today.Do you agree with me on this Steve ?

I don't agree. You'd need a leprechaun or a potato enthusiast to have the 9 in the last.

Scav 07-02-2007 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Past Post
No doubt in my mind that the cappers on this site if the money was there,they would of hit this pick 6 today.Do you agree with me on this Steve ?

Pillow's name is Steve?

Scav 07-02-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I don't agree. You'd need a leprechaun or a potato enthusiast to have the 9 in the last.

The only thing that gets you that 9 is structuring...the only thing

Lava 07-02-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I doubt it, 2nd, 3rd and 6th leg winners were hard IMO

I hit the first 4 legs and had 2nd and 3rd in the last two

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Pillow's name is Steve?

It's Teddy. I was just giving my opinion anyways.

Scav 07-02-2007 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not to be a party pooper, but this is a bad idea. I know we all have "friends" and such on here, but this is the internet, land of no accountability. Money and this sort of thing don't really mix well.

I am probably not going to do it BUT it can and would work. Look at Sumwon's partnership, exactly the same thing, same investment just one you get an animal, the other you get some juice for four hours.

None of this should go down without Steve's blessing anyways

Lava 07-02-2007 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I am probably not going to do it BUT it can and would work. Look at Sumwon's partnership, exactly the same thing, same investment just one you get an animal, the other you get some juice for four hours.

None of this should go down without Steve's blessing anyways

I also would say Steve would have to give the ok before I would join in on it

pgardn 07-02-2007 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
PGD, you dont have a clue what you are talking about welching a hundred dollar bet. Get real you d bag

Did I say anything about a 100 dollar bet? You just fried yourself you frikkin liar. Pay up. You dont owe me a thing. But it is very clear there is someone you do owe. Damn I hate liars.

ALostTexan 07-02-2007 09:51 PM

I would be another that would buy in for $50 shares, up to $200 or so. I would contribute to the fund if there was simply an explaination of the selections by the committee, but wouldn't want any say in the selections.

The Bid 07-02-2007 09:52 PM

Youre a dumbass. If you knew me youd know the last thing Im worried about is welching a 100 dollar bet you pecker. You better talk to your buddy before you talk out of turn on me welching any bet, or debt.

Scav 07-02-2007 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I knew someone would bring up the Sumwon thing and I was going to address it. Sumwon has been fun for all involved and Chuck has done a great job with her. But had the horse that was picked out turned out to be really bad, or never started, I feel like there would have been some sour people. The Dee Tee partners have been very lucky as they have gotten a nice little filly. Doesn't always happen like that. Again, not trying to be a downer, just honest.

I don't agree. People knew what they were getting involved with, and they knew the possible outcomes. Do you honestly think that people that would get into this would EXPECT to hit a pick six? The sun was shining on my ass three weeks ago, and honestly, I'll probably never hit another one in my life. Today I wanted to spend $2500 and I would have hit 1 race out of 6.....

All something like this does is give people that don't want to get nuts and drop 1k into a ticket the opportunity to hit something, this is alot like Rupert did today, his friend played a $3800 ticket or something, and he bought $50 of it. He owned 1.3% of that ticket and if they would have hit, he would have gotten back $7488 on that $50

ALostTexan 07-02-2007 09:54 PM

I would have to say, though, that a great deal of thought and paperwork would be in store. I don't know the legality of such a partnership in these bets, but I think it would probably have to be set up like a horse-ownership partnership.

I just wouldn't want it to get to a point that we would take down a pot like today, and then have to consider the legalities after $500K+.

ArlJim78 07-02-2007 09:56 PM

I can picture the DerbyTrail pick six syndicate now.

take the dialog between pgrdn and the bid, and times by 100.:eek:

timmgirvan 07-02-2007 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I knew someone would bring up the Sumwon thing and I was going to address it. Sumwon has been fun for all involved and Chuck has done a great job with her. But had the horse that was picked out turned out to be really bad, or never started, I feel like there would have been some sour people. The Dee Tee partners have been very lucky as they have gotten a nice little filly. Doesn't always happen like that. Again, not trying to be a downer, just honest.

DaHoss: you bring up a valid point....not every venture succeeds! The Partners were fortunate to have Chuck, and it turned out well for the initial foray into horse ownership! On the P-6 deal.... there has to be trust...much of it should've built up during DTs' Inaugural Year! We pretty much know the players...and the payers! The share thing would be the best way to play and not feel badly in not hitting the big one....it is entertainment after all

The Bid 07-02-2007 09:58 PM

I cant take the foolishness of PGA, hes knocked around this bet for months and he doesnt have the slightest clue what hes talking about.

pgardn 07-02-2007 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Youre a dumbass. If you knew me youd know the last thing Im worried about is welching a 100 dollar bet you pecker. You better talk to your buddy before you talk out of turn on me welching any bet, or debt.

So you paid? You admitted yourself you did not pay up. Did you forget?
Or just "I will get to it?"

I would feel guilty as hell if I were you. Somewhere along the line people have to be able to trust one another. And then you come along. Dont put up money if you cant pay. Just keep your mouth shut if you cant come through. Everyone on this board should pressure you to DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

Scav 07-02-2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Why would you not expect to hit something? Isn't that the point of betting? I of course realize when I bet that there is a strong possibilty that I will lose, but I expect to hit bets when I put them in. Good luck guys getting this off of the ground, but it seems like a lot of work.

Dude come on....You are telling me that every bet you put in you expect to hit? I'll tell you this, I hope I hit 10% of my wagers on the day because I know I'll be up money. I risk on certain things becuase if they hit, I'll get paid, but I don't expect to hit them

Scav 07-02-2007 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
So you paid? You admitted yourself you did not pay up. Did you forget?
Or just "I will get to it?"

I would feel guilty as hell if I were you. Somewhere along the line people have to be able to trust one another. And then you come along. Dont put up money if you cant pay. Just keep your mouth shut if you cant come through. Everyone on this board should pressure you to DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

Guys, you are jacking a thread that is meaningful....

The Bid 07-02-2007 10:03 PM

Listen buddy, the deal was taken care of, just because you dont know the particulars is no reason to get shitty or stupid.

I cant even get into the most ignorant part of your message telling me if I cant handle the hundred I shouldnt bet it.

Sorry Scav, I cant take it on the 100 dollar welched debt. Its got me steamed

ArlJim78 07-02-2007 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Why would you not expect to hit something? Isn't that the point of betting? I of course realize when I bet that there is a strong possibilty that I will lose, but I expect to hit bets when I put them in. Good luck guys getting this off of the ground, but it seems like a lot of work.

it doesn't have to hit every pick six to be successful, of course every time you play you play to win, but you're going to lose for sure. but I would think playing with a larger bankroll will really up the hit rate compared to going it alone with $100 or $200. Not sure if it would work myself but I'm willing to try.

pgardn 07-02-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Guys, you are jacking a thread that is meaningful....

Scavs people need to be aware of who they can and cannot trust. The vast majority of the people on here I would be very comfortable with. Sorry for the interjection. But there are people who do not honor obligations. Carry on. It is an interesting thread and I apologize.


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