Looking at the jockey standings at Philly I would say no.

In my opinion, I think shooting horses up with steroids, giving them pain medication so they can race lame is far more serious than VM kicking the horse in the stomach. I don't think he should have kicked the horse, but there are worse things out there. I remember a story at River Downs where the barn people (not all of them, just a few) were hitting the horses with shovels.

Sometimes you have to get aggressive when handling animals. Thing is shouldn't be done at the gate and on Int'l TV. Yup the horse huggers will turn out, they live for this stuff.

I held my cat upside down before and dropped him to see if he'd land on his feet, but I never kicked a horse.

What, then I shouldn't talk about the AA meeting I attended with Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears? :D

I feel like we're listening to confessions now... lol.

That was funny. Hey, AA or drug rehab is a great place to meet hot women. Yasmin Bleath (spelling?) met her husband in drug rehab.

I saw this incident....the horse who Molina kicked acted up before going into the gate and got caught under the gate briefly while acting up inside of the gate.

I was kind of happy the horse was delaying the start, because I had singled the horse breaking from the far outside....but anyway, he should be fined for what he did....I thought it was a punk move....and it was caught on camera.

It was an early season 2-year-old he kicked, and not a seasoned race horse.

When I walked hots at Churchill Downs training center a few years ago, I had a 2-year-old Wild Rush filly that pretty much was more than a handful for me when she wanted to be. She stepped on my toes a couple of times, she head-butted me when I stopped at her bucket to see if she wanted a drink, on some days she'd get ignorant and take off around the same corner, almost pulling me to the ground a few times. She was always a pain in the ass to keep reasonably still while she got her bath.

I found her amusing though, and loved working around her more than the other ones. I had two others who had no personality at all...and my 4th one was a Skip Away filly who tried biting everything that walked by her stall.

OK, I admit I have smacked the crap out of Buck, but it isn't like he didn't know it was coming. Bit me in the back while I was closing a gate we had just walked though. He knew it was coming as soon as I turned around because he had the fear of God look in his eyes and was backing up as far as his lead rope would let him go. I gave him a good loud "NO" and a smack across the chest with the lead rope. Was that abuse? I think not.

There is disciplining a horse and then there is abuse. If this guy had kicked the horse immediately after the incident in the gate occurred (and I don't know what happened in the gate, maybe he was kicking out so kicking back is warranted). BUT if the horse had no idea why he was being kicked then YES it is abuse and he should get kicked in the stomach.

Hopefully there won't be one involving peanut butter.

did he land on his feet?

Like Pais, is this reflective of what sort of mate you like in life?

Not from me, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it from someone else.

I never really thought about it.

I doubt it. Wouldn't be surprised if someone admitted to sniffing glue.

If that's true, he should have no trouble in finding a suitable girl... most chicks are flat out bitches like that, so he should have a variety to choose from.

I'm in the same boat as him, though... I like to be around horses with some spunk too. Push button horses typically bore me.

Depends on what sort of game the horse likes to play. We had one that would 'fake attack' you when you went in his stall to feed him. He got a real kick out of scaring the newbies on the staff. The last horse I leased on the other hand liked to show off everytime he tried something differently and would fire off 3 big bucks while schooling because he thought he was a hot shot. That was cute, the former...not so much!

Did you ever strap two cats back to back and drop them both?
I've never tried it, but I'd expect the same outcome from putting peanut butter on both sides of a piece of wonder bread and seeing what happens.

To me, and I'm not talking about the VM incident, I'd say kick them before they kick you.
And "mane pulling" really ain't that big a deal. Horses don't mind much, especially if burdocks are involved.
They'll get over it before humans do.

Listen to ATRAB it's going to be discussed on there.

dude was taken off the rest of his mounts for the day and is in BIG,BIG,Trouble! Stewards are gonna whack his peepee!!!

He deserves whatever he gets.

If people didn't see it, it wasn't like a heat of the moment thing he did out of instincts. He'd been off the horse for a while, and the horse was about to be unsaddled.

This was a 2yo debuter, with back-to-back gate works, who obviously has issues with the starting gate...he appeared to be caught under it for a little while. Molina probably banged into something when he acted up in the gate, and was just waiting for his chance to get a clean cheapshot in as revenge.

Don't you think there should be less tolerance for horses with gate issues. They should be scratched quicker ? They instituted tougher gate rules in England this year. Anyone know if they are meeting their expectations over there ?

When did they take him off the rest of his mounts? He rode in the 6th race today.

Ahhh the TVG chick said that.I should have known better.

You probably should have known better than to refer to her as " the TVG chick " as well.

She makes Jan Rushton look like Andy Beyer......

I don't mean that appearance wise either.

You shouldn't be rough on that puss.....never mind! :D

ejected from grounds indefinately
 

he needs to cool down and understand what he did was wrong...
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39422

Victor Molina....OHH No No No !!!
 

Prior to the third at Philly yesterday Mr Molina was pinned in the gate by a frisky 2 year old of Cliff Sise's "Yes Yes OhYes" before a national audience of TVG which feeds Monday races from Philadelphia Park to a much greater live audience due to the slim pickings of Monday races.

Molina was seen kicking the horse in the stomach in response to his own jostle....

After a barrage of complaints the management at Philly Park issued an order by the head of security to remove Victor from the premises until a hearing scheduled for Tuesday.

To his credit a humble and remorseful Molina offered apology to YesYes's owner and will undoubtedly seek forgiveness later today.

So does the fact that a larger audience witnessed this horrible transgression
mean that a stiffer penalty of a prolonged suspension should be handed down to this jock who seems to be a first offender by any account.......sometimes technology is our own worst enemy!!!!! What does the DT court say here on this one???

Sorry folks I didn't see the earlier thread........Never Mind!!!!

To Bad. He messed up, and now has to beg for his job back.

A grand and a month.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39507

Very well said BTW. Everybody who knows Molina has said its hard to believe he would kick a horse,even the trainer has spoke up for him.. Molina sounded remorseful in his apology and would accept any punishment given. He knows he hurt the industry with his actions.

The penalty seems a little harsh to me , but he did do this in the public eye and so they have to " shank on him a lil harder" .

Hey Honu. Good luck to the Tinman on Saturday. How's he feeling?

He's doing really good , he worked super a few days ago , he looks healthy as a horse lol.
Thanks for the good wishes:)

Great. I'll be cheering him on!

kick for a kick
 

No suspension , no fines ... just have him lift his shirt off and stand behind the horse...

;)

hes lucky he didn't kick Invasor or Premium Tap over in Dubai