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SniperSB23 06-05-2007 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Stall Mucker
I'm guessin that TAP is looking for Prado as we thread.
And I'm guessing Prado hasn't been working too hard to find a mount for this race as soon as he saw Gomez and JV get other mounts. He's been waiting on Coolmore's decision.

XIIPointStables 06-05-2007 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Did Pletcher announce who will be riding her yet?
What about Chantal Sutherland? Does she have a mount yet?

Sightseek 06-05-2007 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
What about Chantal Sutherland? Does she have a mount yet?
I hope you are joking.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I hope you are joking.

I hope you are joking.

philcski 06-05-2007 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You'll have to give me some real examples.
Panty Raid is a joke by the way. The field she beat, with a perfect trip, in the Black Eyed Susan was disgraceful.
When was the last time a filly won the Comely and/or the Nassau then the Acorn? It's been a long time. Take any of those as examples...

tiznowthegreat 06-05-2007 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Yes, CK would be VERY tough to play off a seemingly dream trip (who really knows what a dream trip on poly is though?) Grade 1 win at KEE...and those stakes in South Florida two and three back were watered down races....though I felt she was the best in those weak fields.

Dream Rush looks like the horse....but if Octave doesn't go...there goes any value.

Hopefully Pletcher decides to send both Octave and CB....and have Panty Raid as his Mother Goose horse.
Pletcher has said that he will run Octave in the Mother Goose and NOT this weekend. He will run Cotton Blossom on Sat.

ninetoone 06-05-2007 09:38 AM
Maybe Gomez will go all "Billy Donovan" and jump ship back to Rags, while Dominguez takes the mount on Hard Spun and wins by open lengths :)

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski
When was the last time a filly won the Comely and/or the Nassau then the Acorn? It's been a long time. Take any of those as examples...

Give me some actual examples.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Pletcher has said that he will run Octave in the Mother Goose and NOT this weekend. He will run Cotton Blossom on Sat.

He didn't say this definitively.

SniperSB23 06-05-2007 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski
When was the last time a filly won the Comely and/or the Nassau then the Acorn? It's been a long time. Take any of those as examples...
Jersey Girl in 98 and Star de Lady Ann in 96 are the only two to win the Nassau and Acorn in the same year. Of course the Nassau has only been run 11 times.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 09:42 AM
Ruffian did pretty well in the Acorn after winning the Comely.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 09:48 AM
Mom's Command and Meadow Star did similarly.

Those races have changed substantially in the last twenty years, and not just because the Nassau County used to be a premier 1 1/8 race for older horses, and the fields are substantially weaker. I would like the list of supposed good horses that came out of the Comely or Nassau County and bombed in the Acorn.

philcski 06-05-2007 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Give me some actual examples.
Last year, Adieu came out of a 1 turn race (La Troienne) as the 9/5 favorite and flopped.
2005, speed type Splendid Blended (also the La Troienne I believe) was 2-1 finished 4th.
2004, Society Selection (a filly I liked very much) came out of a win in the Comely and finished 2nd at 2-1.

philcski 06-05-2007 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Ruffian did pretty well in the Acorn after winning the Comely.
Oh, come on. You can't possibly use Ruffian against me! :D That's bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Last year, Adieu came out of a 1 turn race (La Troienne) as the 9/5 favorite and flopped.
2005, speed type Splendid Blended (also the La Troienne I believe) was 2-1 finished 4th.
2004, Society Selection (a filly I liked very much) came out of a win in the Comely and finished 2nd at 2-1.

Adieu was always slow. Splendid Blended hardly embarrassed herself in a pretty tough rendition and Society Selection....well you know.

I would say that Dream Rush enters this Acorn with a stronger hand. Believe me, I'm rarely sold, and I want to see the pps, but Dream Rush will be tough unless there is significant speed in this race.

Travis Stone 06-05-2007 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Mom's Command and Meadow Star did similarly.
Remember those stretch battles between Meadow Star and Light Lite? Those were one of a handful of races to really get me juiced on the sport.

pgardn 06-05-2007 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by justindew
We needed this. Fantastic news.
Absolutely. The race looks much more interesting now.

philcski 06-05-2007 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Adieu was always slow. Splendid Blended hardly embarrassed herself in a pretty tough rendition and Society Selection....well you know.

I would say that Dream Rush enters this Acorn with a stronger hand. Believe me, I'm rarely sold, and I want to see the pps, but Dream Rush will be tough unless there is significant speed in this race.
I know you aren't, and I love that we're arguing a race that hasn't even been drawn yet! Maybe there won't be anyone interesting to beat her with. I just hate settling for the obvious choice in a race like this, especially on a big day where the obvious selection goes off at 3/5 instead of even money.

lemoncrush 06-05-2007 10:18 AM
Per Bloodhorse, Todd is trying to get Gomez back aboard Rags, but Larry jones firmly expects him to honor his commitment to Hard Spun.

Interesting to see what develops.
Maybe Gomez jumps ship, and Larry Jones brings P-Val on for Hard Spun.
:p

Yes, I'm joking.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Remember those stretch battles between Meadow Star and Light Lite? Those were one of a handful of races to really get me juiced on the sport.

There was really only one....but it was something special.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Per Bloodhorse, Todd is trying to get Gomez back aboard Rags, but Larry jones firmly expects him to honor his commitment to Hard Spun.

Interesting to see what develops.
Maybe Gomez jumps ship, and Larry Jones brings P-Val on for Hard Spun.
:p

Yes, I'm joking.

He can't get off unless Jones lets him. Looks like " the man who runs racing " aint gonna be running this one.

Travis Stone 06-05-2007 10:23 AM
But they met on a few occasions, right? I say stretch battles, I guess I meant match-ups. But yea, I do remember the one battle.

paisjpq 06-05-2007 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
There was really only one....but it was something special.
"the mother of all goose's" gotta love that name...

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
But they met on a few occasions, right? I say stretch battles, I guess I meant match-ups. But yea, I do remember the one battle.

I'm not sure they met more than twice and Lite Light dusted her in the CCA Oaks. Truth be told, Lite Light was much the best in the Mother Goose.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by paisjpq
"the mother of all goose's" gotta love that name...
I think Durkin may have said that initially.

Sightseek 06-05-2007 10:32 AM
Greg Fox gave J.V. the OK to ride Rags to Riches instead of Slew's Tizzy.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Greg Fox gave J.V. the OK to ride Rags to Riches instead of Slew's Tizzy.

Sounds like they had an agreement beforehand. Frankly, the way Johnny has been riding it won't matter anyway.

paisjpq 06-05-2007 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think Durkin may have said that initially.
I think he said it as part of the race call didn't he? and then it stuck.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I think he said it as part of the race call didn't he? and then it stuck.
Feels like it.

Bigsmc 06-05-2007 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Greg Fox gave J.V. the OK to ride Rags to Riches instead of Slew's Tizzy.
Greg Fox came to his senses.

Must've been watching some Belmont replays.

rgustafson 06-05-2007 10:37 AM
Let's see now. Pletcher sporting an ofer in triple crown races. Is there just a hint of desperation in this move?

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Greg Fox came to his senses.

Must've been watching some Belmont replays.

It's honestly amazing how poorly Johnny has ridden lately. It's like he doesn't care anymore. He was never as great a rider as some made him out to be, but he was pretty damn good, and lately he looks like the second coming of Mike Smith. It seems like if he isn't riding a cadillac for Pletcher he just " goes where they aint. "

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rgustafson
Let's see now. Pletcher sporting an ofer in triple crown races. Is there just a hint of desperation in this move?
I don't think so at all. He's running a horse who is one of the choices. Doesn't seem desperate to me. Running Circular Quay could have been construed as desperate perhaps.

To me it improves two races from a wagering standpoint.....it makes this Belmont more interesting and it removes a 2:5 shot from the Mother Goose.

dellinger63 06-05-2007 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I wouldn't be so sure that Todd didn't think she was the most talented before the Derby. He's a pretty smart guy and has a very good handle on the relative talents of his horses.
I think he showed everyone the evidence when Circular worked with Rags and looked like he was going to get bitchslapped.

The move to put a filly in will arouse a lot of 'casual fan' awareness and interest IMO.

Bigsmc 06-05-2007 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's honestly amazing how poorly Johnny has ridden lately. It's like he doesn't care anymore. He was never as great a rider as some made him out to be, but he was pretty damn good, and lately he looks like the second coming of Mike Smith. It seems like if he isn't riding a cadillac for Pletcher he just " goes where they aint. "
That's exactly what it looks like. He's sleepwalking through the races.

I need one of those disclaimers here: The following does not represent the views and beliefs of DT Management and/or it's Memebers.

A complete guess on my part, but I would say he's got something wrong in his personal life or he has something physically dogging him. Either way, if he needs to step away to get his life in order, I suggest he do it soon.

King Glorious 06-05-2007 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MisterB
I think you will find around here, this is not true. Early on, nobody even thought she belonged with the boys, and only raced against weak fields. With only 3 races prior to the big events, who could blame them.
I believe the horse that finished third in the Derby and won the Preakness went into the Derby with only three prior races, all against weak fields. If u are good, u are good. Her ability is not determined by who she races against; only her results are.

blackthroatedwind 06-05-2007 11:13 AM
Apparently CP is now running as well.


http://www.drf.com/news/article/85529.html

Bigsmc 06-05-2007 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparently CP is now running as well.


http://www.drf.com/news/article/85529.html
The more the merrier. Spread that money around a bit.

NTamm1215 06-05-2007 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparently CP is now running as well.


http://www.drf.com/news/article/85529.html
That can't be a good move. I don't think he really wants a mile and a half and Zito looked to have him positioned nicely for a money-making summer campaign.

NT

XIIPointStables 06-05-2007 11:21 AM
I would have chosen Prado over JV.


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