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Rupert Pupkin 05-19-2007 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I'm probably not going to have a win bet on any horse in the Preakness---but, if I do decide to make one, it would be on Curlin...if he's better than 4/1.

Like I said though, no self-respecting bettor could possibly play Street Sense off the kind of trips he's built his mighty repute with.

My entire betting strategy focuses on my steadfast opinion that Street Sense hangs through the final 1/8th, and finishes underneath, and that only another act-of-god trip prevents that from happening.

I have long distained Circular Quay---Hard Spun and Curlin are the two remaining horses in the race who aren't complete and utter dog biscuits.

So, for the record, it's Curlin for me---but, from a betting standpoint, I will try to lock up 8/1 odds on a Curlin/HS over SS exacta.

Nice call!

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2007 06:52 PM

Thank You guys.

I did a lot of talking....and you're going to be wrong a lot in this game---but the egg is on your face when you're the one talking the loudest and you lose.

fpsoxfan 05-19-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Honestly for as stubborn as DrugS was after the Derby, he was right today. The dude knows his s hit. No need to be sour.

Not sour hoss....but just because he was a blowhard all week doesn't mean
he's an expert. Blah...blah...blah

GPK 05-19-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Honestly for as stubborn as DrugS was after the Derby, he was right today. The dude knows his s hit. No need to be sour.


Well said Jay. I dont always agree with 100% of what he says....but he puts his opinions out there....gives rational reasoning behind them....and stands firmly behind them. I will always respect that.

fpsoxfan 05-19-2007 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
speaking that way to a fellow Sox fan is uncalled for....

Won game 1 against the mighty Braves!!!

fpsoxfan 05-19-2007 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Aren't you the guy that started not 1, but 2 threads congratulating your buddy for picking an exacta. You are coming off very jealous right now.

Well that was 20 horses...and 96 dollars Hoss..But you are right..prob. a little bitter, but I'm more willing to shake the hand of a guy who can give me a 12/1 shot.Example...hooves...steve....etc...anyone can give out chalk on a chalky day. Think about it.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2007 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Enjoy your 22 dollar exacta. Buy a beer and a bag of chips. Enjoy!!

Serling told me a great story when I went downstairs to visit him at Saratoga last year---he was at a table with a son of W. T. Young, Steve Crist, and some other influential breeding person...

Anyway, they start talking about Flower Alley, and I guess Andy didn't know off the top of his head that Distorted Humor was FA's sire.

Anyway, so they start talking about Distorted Humor, and Andy recalls a time he caught him to win (down at GP I believe) and he paid $36 for the win. So, W. T. Young's son says something like "wait, so everyone remembers this horse for all the good foals he's sired....and you remember him because he won you $36?" Andy says "No....it was actually $8.20...I bet him to show."

Obviously I made a little more than $22 on this race....I bet that exacta backwheel about as heavily as I've bet an exacta backwheel in as long as I can remember.

But yeah---if I got loud and annoying for a week or two before this race--I'm sorry....but I really, really, really was obsessed with this race. Complete obsession.

Buffymommy 05-19-2007 07:34 PM

I had Curlin today, but he won't be my Belmont pick. :)

Good call DrugS. My hubby is pissed at me because I didn't make him go bet today. He actually called me during my riding lesson to yell at me because I picked the tri and he was mad. (He saw my notes on our desk after the race.) He left me quite a voice mail. :D

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2007 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I'm not going to give him ANY CREDIT WHATSOEVER. He is a blowhard and thats that.

I'm wounded.

Mortimer 05-19-2007 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I'm wounded.



No excuse..get back in the game.





Fine work....by the way.

Mortimer 05-19-2007 08:04 PM

My hubby is pissed at me because I didn't make him go bet today.
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I'm sure that's the least of it.

fpsoxfan 05-19-2007 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I'm wounded.

Sorry...A little too harsh on my part. I take a lot of it back. You are NOT a blowhard. Keep up the good work!

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-19-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Aren't you the guy that started not 1, but 2 threads congratulating your buddy for picking an exacta. You are coming off very jealous right now.

If I'm the guy your talking about...I did SAY that it was a triple box of the three Derby finishers (see the earlier post here)
Chalk or not, it WAS a very good week DaHoss! Had $50 in my phone-a-bet a week ago...it NOW stands at $600!!! :)
Congrats to ALL that cashed today! How did you do????

ninetoone 05-19-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I'm probably not going to have a win bet on any horse in the Preakness---but, if I do decide to make one, it would be on Curlin...if he's better than 4/1.
Like I said though, no self-respecting bettor could possibly play Street Sense off the kind of trips he's built his mighty repute with.

My entire betting strategy focuses on my steadfast opinion that Street Sense hangs through the final 1/8th, and finishes underneath, and that only another act-of-god trip prevents that from happening.

I have long distained Circular Quay---Hard Spun and Curlin are the two remaining horses in the race who aren't complete and utter dog biscuits.

So, for the record, it's Curlin for me---but, from a betting standpoint, I will try to lock up 8/1 odds on a Curlin/HS over SS exacta.

Good call, but did you bet him? He wasn't 4-1...

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2007 09:04 PM

I did not have a win bet on him.

Street Sense was a mortal lock to run underneath if Curlin won, and far far more likely for 2nd than 3rd place...because of pace scenerios...so I just tried to better my odds a little.

I was hoping Curlin would have the seperation on Street Sense so he didn't get drowned by his move....honestly, even though I was convinced SS would hang...I was never a confident man when he blew by Curlin...and I only didn't think I could win until the 1/16th pole...at that point I thought I'd probably nab him.

cmorioles 05-20-2007 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I did not have a win bet on him.

Street Sense was a mortal lock to run underneath if Curlin won, and far far more likely for 2nd than 3rd place...because of pace scenerios...so I just tried to better my odds a little.

I was hoping Curlin would have the seperation on Street Sense so he didn't get drowned by his move....honestly, even though I was convinced SS would hang...I was never a confident man when he blew by Curlin...and I only didn't think I could win until the 1/16th pole...at that point I thought I'd probably nab him.

In the end, there was no way Street Sense wasn't running 1-2. Since your strong opinion was the Street Sense was a bad bet on top, the best bet was to play him underneath the only two with a chance to beat him. You did just that. Congrats. I see no reason for any of the bashing here.

SentToStud 05-20-2007 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
In the end, there was no way Street Sense wasn't running 1-2. Since your strong opinion was the Street Sense was a bad bet on top, the best bet was to play him underneath the only two with a chance to beat him. You did just that. Congrats. I see no reason for any of the bashing here.

No kidding. It's not possible to be more right about a race than TIDS was here. Some people cannot stand someone else being correct whether it's at their own expense or not.

Coach Pants 05-20-2007 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
As amusing as our little squabble has been, you're right, enough is enough. First, don't you think it's obvious I have issues, thanks for stating the obvious. Don't we all have issues? I mean, your buddy's 43 and he spent 3 hours yesterday waiting in line for Rowdy Roddy Pipers autograph. That's issues.

They Live is the greatest movie of all time.

brianwspencer 05-20-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Hoss....C'mon be honest with yourself...Would you please? There was bitterness...Did you read? I admittted that. Several times I came back and aplogized for stupid comments. My point was I'm not impressed with someone that can pick the morning line Derby favorite and second choice in the Preakness. The Wager is also questionable. A heavy backwheel? It worked for him....great! Why didn't you stand up to him. You're a Street Sense fan. He knocked him all week.

The point that you seem to be missing, is that nobody who likes Street Sense was enjoying the way Drugs was presenting his position, but the fact remains that no one person can lay out (in advance) how a race will be run and be any more right than he was.

I don't like Drugs all the time, but give credit where credit is due. Picking winners is picking winners, whether they are 2-5 or 80-1. Not only did he flat out say that he knew Street Sense would finish second, but he explained exactly how it was going to happen, with Street Sense relinquishing the lead late to one of two horses. One cannot be much more prophetic about how a race is going to unfold, and one cannot be more adamant that they are going to be right.

While you may not have taken a liking to the way Drugs presented this information in advance (and I didn't either, to boot, and also thought he was flat out wrong), there is little doubt that he saw this coming.

The prices of the horses doesn't matter, he laid out the race scenario and it unfolded exactly like he thought it would. What's so hard about swalling some pride and just saying "good call" instead of moaning about the exotics payouts? I'm less concerned with how much money he made in congratulating him than I am with how spot-on he was with his analysis.

Coach Pants 05-20-2007 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Hoss....C'mon be honest with yourself...Would you please? There was bitterness...Did you read? I admittted that. Several times I came back and aplogized for stupid comments. My point was I'm not impressed with someone that can pick the morning line Derby favorite and second choice in the Preakness. The Wager is also questionable. A heavy backwheel? It worked for him....great! Why didn't you stand up to him. You're a Street Sense fan. He knocked him all week. As far as the other stuff Hoss..you simply don't want to accept the E-Street gang. You have a problem with Fort Plain in general. We've tried to form a connection with you but you have serious issues with us. It's nice to have friends. I wouldn't trade those guys and the rest of our buddies who are not members of this board. It sure beats going to an OTB by yourself. So reach up your as s and take the bug out or just don't pay attention to me or any of us. Me personally would not go the the Pro wrestling thing, but knock a guy for doing something he enjoys? Wow..that's low...real low. I really hope you are not bitter in person.

ROFL. That's gangsta.

You can't make this sh.it up.

fpsoxfan 05-20-2007 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
The point that you seem to be missing, is that nobody who likes Street Sense was enjoying the way Drugs was presenting his position, but the fact remains that no one person can lay out (in advance) how a race will be run and be any more right than he was.

I don't like Drugs all the time, but give credit where credit is due. Picking winners is picking winners, whether they are 2-5 or 80-1. Not only did he flat out say that he knew Street Sense would finish second, but he explained exactly how it was going to happen, with Street Sense relinquishing the lead late to one of two horses. One cannot be much more prophetic about how a race is going to unfold, and one cannot be more adamant that they are going to be right.

While you may not have taken a liking to the way Drugs presented this information in advance (and I didn't either, to boot, and also thought he was flat out wrong), there is little doubt that he saw this coming.

The prices of the horses doesn't matter, he laid out the race scenario and it unfolded exactly like he thought it would. What's so hard about swalling some pride and just saying "good call" instead of moaning about the exotics payouts? I'm less concerned with how much money he made in congratulating him than I am with how spot-on he was with his analysis.

Fair enough Brian. I did apologize for calling him a blowhard. Maybe as Hoss said it was a few too many cocktails. It is how he laid it out. Kudos to him and anyone else that had a good day.

fpsoxfan 05-20-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Stand up to him? What is this high school? Stop being so dramatic, I've been going back and forth with DrugS about it for a month. I have no interest in dissecting his wager because it was right, so why should i dissect it?

I have no problem with Fort Plain, although that is probably the funniest thing you wrote. I don't even know where Fort Plain is. Look, this is gotten way over the top. I think it's best we just ignore each other.

And I am this bitter in real life.

Fair enough. I would like to meet you...not to fight. Maybe have a cold one and hit a pick-3. I really hope you are not this bitter, but c'mon that was a low blow to Hoffy. You can bash me all you want, but You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer guy than hoffy. How can you not lie a guy who drinks Miller beer?

brianwspencer 05-20-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
He probably is a nice guy, but when the nice guy bashes me, I'll bash back. Sorry, but that seemed very odd to me. I don't think I'd wait 3 hours in line to meet Cindy Crawford, let alone a wrestler. You can call it a low blow, I say it's honest, and I can't believe I am alone on thinking it. And trust me, i am this bitter.

In high school I once waited seven hours at a Target to meet Christina Aguilera. We had waited since early morning and then we were finally getting around the corner where we would be able to see her for the first time at which point we would be about five minutes from meeting her.

Lo and behold, some idiot threw a shoe at her and a riot broke out because people who got there late and weren't going to meet her got mad. Nothing like a Target in Schaumburg, IL to make the national news.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2007 10:58 AM

HERE AN IDEA...

LET'S STICK TO THE PONIES!

SAVE THE CRAP FOR ELSEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

miraja2 05-20-2007 10:58 AM

fpsoxfan,
Maybe instead of dichotomizing everyone on this board into "friends" and "enemies" categories (as you seem to have done), you would enjoy this place more if you just appreciated top-notch analysis when you see it.......regardless of the source.
DrugS flat out NAILED this race. It probably wouldn't kill you to just say that (sans caveats) and move on. It wouldn't mean that you would have to always agree with him.
For example, I like Brian a lot, but that isn't going to stop me from making fun of him mercilessly for waiting seven hours outside a Target to meet Christina Aguilera. Even though I like him, that post deserves to be ridiculed. Other times a poster I might not like as much may post something very insightful, and therefore does not deserve ridicule.
In short, my advice would be............respond to the post, not the poster.

Coach Pants 05-20-2007 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
HERE AN IDEA...

LET'S STICK TO THE PONIES!

SAVE THE CRAP FOR ELSEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or what? You gonna break out your e-switchblade and go to work? :D

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2007 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Or what? You gonna break out your e-switchblade and go to work? :D

Ha Ha! good one Pillow...

got no problem with you dude, I got a sense of humor...unlike some! :D

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2007 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
A tear just came to the eye.

Gonna speak to the man about you, son! :mad:

brianwspencer 05-20-2007 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
For example, I like Brian a lot, but that isn't going to stop me from making fun of him mercilessly for waiting seven hours outside a Target to meet Christina Aguilera. Even though I like him, that post deserves to be ridiculed.

I was 16, and I still (at 24) carry a Hanson keychain.

I'm only telling you these stories because I want you to be able to illustrate the fine point you just made, that the message is different than the person.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
weren't you just advocating sticking to the ponies and saving the crap for elsewhere?

Your right ArlJim...my mistake!

got no problem with you either :D

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2007 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Who is the man?

I'll keep you guessing! :)

NOW, we all got money to make! Good luck to all you're wagers today! :D

ArlJim78 05-20-2007 11:19 AM

Okay, that's a wrap.

Straight to the Charles Hatton room for this one.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2007 11:23 AM

Have good day boys!


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