someone else has to finish up the super, he's my pick of horses other than the 'big three'.
but then, i'd add him to any tri's before i added curlin...

the last furlong will be issue with him, but horses best performances are (I believe) usually when they are at the upmost limit of their stamina..btw, you see whose son won the French 2000 Guineas today.

looks like chelokee is going to the barbaro stakes, rather than the preakness.

hadn't seen about the french 2k brock, but i take it a danzig colt won??

would have liked to have seen Chelokee in the preakness..

yep Astronomer Royal, big shock though. Coolmore had 5 in it, he was at least 4 string, if not 5th..thats his breeding!
Danzig(USA) (7.9f) - Sheepscot(USA) (Easy Goer (USA))

holy crap, 33-1!! just went to racing post to check out the story....wow!
maybe that win, and with three of his finishing in the top four, will ease some of o'briens pain over losing holy roman emperor to the shed.

Just read this:
King of the Roxy trainer Todd Pletcher hinted Sunday he might have another horse for the 1 3-16-mile Preakness. Pletcher, who went 0-for-5 in the Derby to run his record in Triple Crown races to 0-for-26, would not say which 3-year-old he was considering.

Any thoughts?

Deadly Dealer maybe:confused:

I am guessing Circular Quay.

Jim makes an excellent point, no horses come back off two week layoffs now a days and this one time a year only a handful even give it a try. I'm also curious to see why you didnt think Barbaro, Smarty or Giacomo would bounce, and why Street Sense will. If you think SS is going to bounce, then Hard Spun would be a candidate as well, because he ran harder in the Derby.

I tend to think Street Sense takes the Preakness. He is at the top of his form right now and his effort in the Derby may not have taken it all out of him. Against the Preakness field, I think that is enough to win. We'll see about the Belmont.

Pletcher has been so awful in Triple Crown races he is now reverting to Vince McMahon tactics...however, instead of mystery wrestlers in a steel cage...Pletcher will run a mystery horse.

It won't be the Undertaker, he's injured! :D
Maybe "Stone Cold" Soaring By???

See post #37 in this thread. In that post, I give my rationale.

I agree with you about Hard Spun. He ran harder than SS in the Derby. I think it will be very hard for HS to repeat the race he just ran.

I would go with either Circular Quay or Soaring By to the Preakness

Soaring By tho would be more likely to run in the Sir Barton on the undercard

Either of these two would be no surprise. But he could throw in Metocricy (sp?) because the LLc's like Peachtree love having a "classic" runner to promote new customers.

Undertaker injured? That's terrible. I had a feeling that Mark Henry was going to bring the pain. Was really surprised that Edge cashed in. I thought Mr Kennedy was the money in the bank guy. Guess I don't follow it as much as I should but I don't have cable.

Undertaker is the best

oh yeah Preakness something something... no Chelokee :(

I figured I would comment :)

I think that SS won that race easily, and I think if Borel would have gathered him up late, people would be saying "Oh he has plenty in the stake" but because we didn't see the patented wrap up that so many jockeys use now days when a race is won easy, we think that this race took took too much out of him. I see no possibly way that Street Sense loses this race, none. He is lightly raced and just getting back to his 2 year old top, while I do see him pairing or regressing, it won't be by much.

The whole rail thing is crap, if he has to go wide, he will, and he didn't ride the rail THE WHOLE race, he hit the hole like a great running back and then ducked to the rail, it is Borel's MO, not Street Senses'

As far as Hard Spun, will not discredit how he ran in the Derby, it was a great run, but he was wobbly as hell down the lane, and that had the look of a gutter, no way he can take another 46.2 going that long.

I don't give a damn if he was wrapped up, whipped the whole stretch, whatever. What I am wary of is Nafzger seeming to not give much of a **** at all about the Preakness, pretty much admitting that he didn't plan a step beyond the Derby. Add to that Borel's mediocrity when he can't hug the rail, add to that Street Sense's tendency to hang slightly, add to that his likely odds-on price, and you can have him.

I was just going to ask about this. If only 8 are showing up, and his only entry is King of the Roxy, you would think Pletcher would be very tempted to send someone else. I don't think Deadly Dealer or Soaring By would be that effective here, but if CQ did come out of the race OK, I wouldn't see why not. 2nd off a layoff, facing 8 horses instead of 19, with a better distance and plenty of pace to close into.

I still like the Met Mile idea a little bit for CQ, but I'll take anything to make the Preakness a little more interesting than it currently looks on paper.

where did you read this? I can't find it.

At the bottom of this story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18644477/

I hope CQ goes, although I sort of doubt it at this point. That would make it a much more interesting race.
With Hard Spun, that ridiculous Lukas horse, and the other speed....it seems like it would be a good fit for Quay.

Any Given Saturday?

Maybe Pletcher feels like he didn't take enough of my money Derby Day!

thanks!

I just said that this morning...It will have to be AGS because I didn't burn enough money on him in the Wood and the Derby. Glad you and I are in the same boat!

NT

Quick look at the Belmont Work Tab:

Saturday:
King of the Roxy: 6F in 1:14:92 (1/2). Looks like he worked in company with Sunriver, who was clocked at the same distance and time.

Soaring By: 5F in 1:01:02 (3/13)

Looks like a bunch more Pletcher's worked Sunday, but none of the Derby 5. Are they all at Belmont?

From Brisnet.com

Hutcheson S. (G2) hero and Santa Anita Derby (G1) runner-up Kingoftheroxy, who worked six furlongs in 1:14 4/5 on Saturday, went straight back to the track on Sunday. The Team Valor colorbearer galloped 1 1/2 miles at Belmont Park, with Pletcher praising his appearance as "outstanding."

"We'll just basically gallop up to the race," he added.

When asked if Kingoftheroxy would be his only starter in Preakness 132, Pletcher didn't give a categorical answer.

"That's my decision as of this moment," the three-time Eclipse Award winner said.

In response to the inevitable follow-up question, whether that was subject to change, Pletcher said, "Always."

Pletcher would not be drawn into naming his second possible entrant, saying only that the decision would be made on Wednesday.

wonder why he's being so coy about it.

Eh. There's a better chance that he doesn't run anyone and we'll spend three days trying to figure it out.

That's it...you're onto it....THE GREEN MONKEY debuts in the Preakness!!!!!:D

NT

Wins by 15 lengths, is assigned a 118 BSF, retires undefeated, awarded eclipse award for best 3YO, Pletcher hailed for greatest ever training effort.

118? I'm thinking minimum 125. With that breeding...no doubt about it.

NT

If he ran a 125 they would have to name a race after him.
"The Green Monkey Stakes"

You win.

Edge has become Vince's favorite, much like his son-in-law Triple HHH... so it was no surprise that Edge gets the belt.
Mr.Kennedy was supposed to have a "major" injury...but it wasn't as bad as they thought. The "Taker" though, will be MIA for several months.

It's too bad also that Chelokee will be in the "Barbaro" Stakes instead of the Preakness...
he was the only real threat to the Derby Top "3".

You cannot say this often enough, as far as I'm concerned. I cringed at the initial post in the thread.

--Dunbar

It makes you cringe that I think Street Sense and Hard Spun won't be able to produce the same effort twice in two weeks? Sorry for thinking that these are animals and not robots..

Nobody suggested they were robots, however the very real possibility exists that they are legitimately good horses, and actual good horses are able to run well over and over again.

It seems to me that horses didn't learn to bounce until Ragozin invented the theory.

Horses bounce off of every type of figure, Beyer, TG, Ragozin, whatever.

I'm not eliminating the possibility that they run huge races back-to-back. But considering Nafzger's Derby-or-bust strategy and considering how strenous Hard Spun's race in the Derby looked TO ME, I think they both are vulnerable to regression and hence, why I don't like them in the Preakness.

Hope that you didn't cringe reading that.

Street Sense worked out a perfect trip in the Derby, so if he should run slightly worse in the Preakness it won't be because he bounced, it will almost certainly be due to circumstances. Hard Spun, while setting a strong pace that killed the roaches chasing him, was still able to dictate the pace in the Derby. Should the speed horses in the Preakness force him into the role of a chaser, or worse - embroil him in a speed duel, he will also most likely run worse due to race dynamics. Both situations could very possibly lead to what a simplistic analysis will call a bounce or regression when in fact it will be a very simple result of differing race dynamics.

This is very much the problem with the bounce excuse. Since the sheets don't take pace into account they explain performances incorrectly. While I am willing to admit regression is possible, though highly unlikely, far more horses that are considered to have " bounced " actually got favorable setups one day and then unfavorable ones the next.

bouncing is just a word..it has no real meaning..a missed step; bad break,lost shoe..thats a real reason.or a tired /sore horse..