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fpsoxfan 05-11-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
While I have always been curious about the continually unreliable seeming first fractions in those races, most of what I learned about it was from Richard Migliore, who is a great asset to me in learning about trips and racewatching. He is a never ending source of interesting and useful information about racing.

God bless Miggy...We miss him...Is he coming back for the Spa Meet?

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 01:26 PM

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God bless Miggy...We miss him...Is he coming back for the Spa Meet?

Nope. Why would he? He's killing 'em out West.

fpsoxfan 05-11-2007 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Nope. Why would he? He's 'em out West.

You are right...He really made a great choice going out there. I remember reading that it was more or less an experiment because he's quite a family man and they were back in New York. I'm happy for his success.

Bobby Fischer 05-11-2007 01:31 PM

race 4
 
trifectas

10 with 3 6 7 9 with 3 6 7 9 =$20

69 with 10 with 3 5 6 7 9 11 = $10

69 with 3 6 7 9 with 10 = $6


exacta

3 6 9 10 over the 3 5 6 7 9 10 11 = $24

= $60

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 01:46 PM

I think we've seen enough of Dr. Franklin.

One thing worth noting is that the maiden claimers on the turf at Gulfstream were unusually weak this past meet. They ran a ton of them, and they all got full fields, and the horses were pretty much universally bad. There was a HUGE gap between those races and the maiden specials on the turf.

Bobby Fischer 05-11-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
trifectas

10 with 3 6 7 9 with 3 6 7 9 =$20

69 with 10 with 3 5 6 7 9 11 = $10

69 with 3 6 7 9 with 10 = $6


exacta

3 6 9 10 over the 3 5 6 7 9 10 11 = $24

= $60

What you "don't" know DOES hurt you in racing.

Dance Cszar over party jones and samyn has the 8 third.
- $38 for that race , glad my "wager" was only message board.

just noticed that Most Distinguished payed $2.50 to place in the 3rd race. Good price for that field.

SentToStud 05-11-2007 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One thing worth noting is that the maiden claimers on the turf at Gulfstream were unusually weak this past meet.

that information is classfied.

Run2Win 05-11-2007 01:52 PM

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Richie is an unusually sharp guy...

Well I'm glad we agree on "something".

The best thing about "The Mig" is that he is Italian... LOL :rolleyes:


philcski 05-11-2007 01:55 PM

Ya know, this is a classic example of liking a longshot but not really knowing what to do with it. I thought Star for Tina had a shot to hit the board at a big price, but wasn't a serious contender to win. I refuse to bet to show, which leaves betting trifecta keys I guess. I tried to jam him in the 2nd slot instead in exactas.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
that information is classfied.

Not anymore. I blew it again.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Ya know, this is a classic example of liking a longshot but not really knowing what to do with it. I thought Star for Tina had a shot to hit the board at a big price, but wasn't a serious contender to win. I refuse to bet to show, which leaves betting trifecta keys I guess. I tried to jam him in the 2nd slot instead in exactas.


It was a tough triple spread, as even though the two logical horses ran one-two, you sort of had to use more than a few horses.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 02:02 PM

Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

SentToStud 05-11-2007 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

I don't play Belmont but saw the race. Very nicely done.

10 pnt move up 05-11-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

its pretty universal any horse ridden by his former rider gets a crazy trip.....and if that does not work he just throws dirt at em

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I don't play Belmont but saw the race. Very nicely done.


Thanks man.

pmacdaddy 05-11-2007 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

Nice call! Wish I saw it before the race...

robfla 05-11-2007 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think we've seen enough of Dr. Franklin.

One thing worth noting is that the maiden claimers on the turf at Gulfstream were unusually weak this past meet. They ran a ton of them, and they all got full fields, and the horses were pretty much universally bad. There was a HUGE gap between those races and the maiden specials on the turf.

I totally agree, and it also seems that the later in the meet, especially the last month, where they were scrambling to fill cards the quality was even worse

robfla 05-11-2007 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

nice!!

great price too


too bad im only a "weekend warrior"

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 02:22 PM

Thanks guys. It worked out well. Couldn't have gotten a better trip.

philcski 05-11-2007 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

That's a BANG.

philcski 05-11-2007 02:33 PM

Not the craziest stab in the 6th- the 9, Leaveitinthering. Steps up a level after running a career best, Coa hops off for the 8 but gets Garcia.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 02:34 PM

I made a little bet on Bravo's Princess.

philcski 05-11-2007 02:53 PM

The fillies and mares in the 7th are worth nowhere near $45k. Most of these would struggle at $20k!!

ateamstupid 05-11-2007 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The fillies and mares in the 7th are worth nowhere near $45k. Most of these would struggle at $20k!!

You think those were bad, take a look at the $35,000 claimers in the ninth.. They all belong at Suffolk. If Galluscio's horse has four legs, she should roll.

Whose bright idea was it to start running NY-bred maiden claimers at NYRA tracks? NY-bred maiden special weights are bad enough..

philcski 05-11-2007 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You think those were bad, take a look at the $35,000 claimers in the ninth.. They all belong at Suffolk. If Galluscio's horse has four legs, she should roll.

Whose bright idea was it to start running NY-bred maiden claimers at NYRA tracks? NY-bred maiden special weights are bad enough..

Over the winter, I was OK with it because there were so many hopeless horses on the grounds and very few good ones. At Belmont? Come on. The racing secretary must really be struggling to fill races, I don't know if anyone's noticed but there has been NO 2YO races so far. There were 4 listed to date in the condition book, none have filled.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 03:26 PM

How can they fill......one trainer has half the 2YOs?

philcski 05-11-2007 03:31 PM

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How can they fill......one trainer has half the 2YOs?

The same guy who had a quarter of the Derby field?

And needs 10 weeks between races?

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 03:52 PM

If anything Keeneland ran less than they used to. They certainly didn't run more.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 03:59 PM

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Is the lack of two-year-old races at Belmont and fewer two-year-old races at Keeneland a coincidence, or a concerted effort by the top trainers to start their juveniles later in the season?

At this point I think there is no reason not to give them one start in a maiden race as a 3YO, then a final Derby prep, and go on to the big race.

Frankly, the Derby should be 20 heats of 20 horses each, all with two starts, and then a final showdown between the winners. They're not machines.....don't ya know.

blackthroatedwind 05-11-2007 04:08 PM

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And how much time between the heats and the Derby?

Ten weeks?

God no! A year.

philcski 05-11-2007 04:08 PM

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Did Keeneland run more two-year-old races this spring than usual because of its new surface, and if so, would that impact what Belmont's secretary has carded so far?

They ran 9 in 14 racedays, which I'd guess is pretty typical. 75 starters for an average of 8.33 per race. Yet NYRA can't round up even 6 to fill a race?? Something doesn't add up.

paisjpq 05-11-2007 06:33 PM

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Carry on the Dream is pretty interesting in the 5th race. He had an unusually crazy trip in his lone turf race going long.

well done Andrew.


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