Springsteen, take "One Step Back" haha just trying to inject some Boss humour....and look at the big picture, the horse got beat and if you want to criticize Borel then it is your right. I know these people and the horse is RIGHT where they want him I can assure you that.

Triple Crown for Street Sense for sure.

Didn't Secretariat get beat before his Ky Derby?

I can't see Street Sense running a bad race.

waiting for the draw before I committ. For no I say no worse than 2nd.

Does SS remind anyone of Captain Bodgit? He isn't as far out of it as you think but he comes flying like he was far far back

i wouldn't leave street sense off any exotic tix.

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

he shouldn't necessarily have won handily--again, for reference--birdstones run before the derby--was it turfway? at any rate, on a sealed track, zito was LIVID, all the talking heads on tv said that birdstone was much the best of the field, should win easy, regardless of track, blah blah blah.
oops.

"Birdman" would have picked him 1st...because he will be the favorite, but he's a Pletcher fan! :D

they would get a kick out of him on this or any site! :eek:

seriously Mr. Born In The USA...you are awful arrogant about who should have done what at this point. good luck to you....:rolleyes:

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

When I think of being outrun, I think of a horse losing by lengths. Matter of opinion I guess.

Good luck with your tickets on Derby Day.

Not all derby winners won the race just prior to the Derby. Off the top of my head are Funny Cide, Monarchos, and Giacomo.

You are right! I think every horse who we label as a "winner" should be undefeated over his or her career! Anything else is just a loser!

;)

The best horse does not win every day, we all know this.

How many GREAT horses were given the chance to win and didn't every time????what a ridiculous statement. i'm not sure why I am even responding to these posts...it is just that I find them utterly amazing. did alydar have a chance to beat affirmed? what about real quiet, silver charm, giant's causeway, sakhee, point given, etc, etc, etc.....

Xchanger. ;)

Am I being arrogant? I was just being curious awhile back and also pointing out something that I though had merit. I guess not...ridicule and wise ass comments are very encouraging though. Thank you, they will help me and many others trying to cap the Derby.

[quote=estreetposse]Am I being arrogant? I was just being curious awhile back and also pointing out something that I though had merit. I guess not...ridicule and wise ass comments are very encouraging though. Thank you, they will help me and many others trying to cap the Derby.[/QUOT

You let other's comments dictate how you "cap" the race??

Sorry, I was answering 2 posts at once.

I have some narrowed down but not in order until posts are drawn.
I like AGS, CQ, ZAN, and SS in there as well, just not on top.
I never said I didn't think he would be out of the $$$, just that he got the whip quite a bit down the stretch and he did not win and was wrong in my thoughts of being cranked for the race.

Now for all the others...who said he had to win his last before the derby?
Not me.

I'm sorry for saying a winner should win when he has the chance, I mispoke.
A Champion should win when given the chance, and I believe that is what should have happened yet it did not.

Leaving Street Sense off.....
 

Your tickets, would be a huge mistake IMO. I agree with the comment, Natzger will have this horse primed. But of course in this large of a field, the trip will tell the tale, this horse gets in a lane at the top of the stretch, he's got the kick to beat any of these.

[quote=declansharbor]No, but others views on races can quite helpful and the sarcastic points like you are making here are very asinine and will be ignored quite easily.

The KING of asinine statements...So bad, it couldnt be ignored..

I appreciate it. Good luck to you as well.

Coming from Jersey, the armpit of America, nice.


if you bothered to read further...

I'm sorry for saying a winner should win when he has the chance, I mispoke.
A Champion should win when given the chance, and I believe that is what should have happened yet it did not.

If he is the best 3 year old in the world that is prepping for this race and he was and still is far superior to the field in the Bluegrass as it seems many think on here, then yes, I believe he should have won, Bottom line.

How about this guy, genius? Was he the best 3 year old?

http://www.secretariat.com/past_performance.htm

Come Again??

Third off a layoff

Likewise with CQ

1) What did I do or say to you?

2) I don't see the comparison between "Blocky's"(I know u luv'em) last race and SS last...
Sec was 5-6 lengths back while SS no further than 3 off the entire
race and should have pulled it out if he truly is the best in this crop, IMO.


And to the Jersey Folk:

I was roomates at school with a bunch of guys from NJ, I know it's not that bad, but it was the
nicest thing to say that was in my head at the time, I apologize to the rest of the Jersey folk.

Nothing... it just irks me that you can hold it against a horse like Street Sense for losing a race. Just an awfully bold comment for you to make, that's all. LOL on the 'Blocky' reference. :D

Alright, I understand, but can someone explain why he lost the race and then tell me why it seems I can't try to beat him in the derby? Like I've said 2 or 3x before, I just don't like him on top but will probably use him underneath.
I'll check back manana to see who else wants a whack at me, Good Night.

Nothing wrong with trying to beat him... if anything, I'd try to beat him by the fact that he's only had two starts as a 3 year old. But just out of curiosity... IF he had won by a neck in the Blue Grass, would you still be trying to beat him?

Not sure how anyone can say SS was outrun in the Bluegrass. SS was on his left lead drifted in behind Great Hunter, then got on his right lead, then Teuf came out and SS switched back to his left lead and lugged in, it wasnt until the finish line when SS switched back to his right lead. After all of this, he loses by a nose to a horse who loves Polytrack.

For me the knock on SS is his tendecy not to switch leads. He had a hard time getting to the correct lead in the Bluegrass and in the BC Juve he ran almost the entire stretch on his left lead.

How many times has SS been off the board

I am sure you know this but....7-3-2-2. So he has never ran off the board.

I think it depends on your definition of "outrun."

In my opinion he was outran because he didn't win.

He had every shot and didn't get there.

If he would have won, he wouldn't have been outran. He would have outran everyone else.

If the margin is what you are suggesting, then that is a valid point. But that race goes down in history as Dominican's. Street Sense's stallion advertisement isn't going to say Bluegrass Stakes (GR. 1) didn't get outran

it will say Bluegrass Stakes (GR. 1) 2nd

Thats what I figured Whodey, 7 starts and never off the board. He hangs on the wrong lead and hes still getting it done. Better hope he doesnt switch over this Saturday if you are throwing him off the ticket

Well then Circular Quay got outrun in the Risen Star, BC Juve and the Breeders Cup Futurity.

I wouldnt say that Quay got outran in the Risen Star because a horse fell in front of him. And I wouldnt say that SS got outran in the Bluegrass because of the lugging, not switching leads and Teuf coming out on three horses.

SS and Quay are hard to seperate. They both will be far back and both will have to find their way through traffic. Both horses like Churchill. SS - 2-1-1-0 and Quay 3-2-1-0. Quay is coming off of his best beyer and SS is coming off a beyer of 93 (which he has digressed in his last two starts from his 108 in the BC Juve 108-102-93.

For me the difference in the two is that Carl has had a plan for SS since the BC Juve and the planned has worked to perfection. Quay had his plan altered and that isnt a good sign for me. But if you like one, you almost have to like the other.

Quay sure did get outran....badly in the BCJ, the race at Keeneland, and the Risen Star. I don't think SS will be very far back this time around. Just a feeling though.

I'm gonna go back and watch the replay of the Bluegrass and look at what difficulties SS had.

I'll be back on in a minute.

Street Sense ran as hard as he could in that race in my opinion and was outfinished by a runner that had to change course as well to get around him and get running room.

He did get hampered a bit in the stretch but he had let down a couple of times and didn't go past them and was caught.

Does no one else think Dominican had to alter course as well while giving Street Sense a head start and still caught him?

Because that is what I saw. I am thinking that everyone wants to throw this race out due to pace, etc... because Street Sense didn't show dominance over this field. If he didn't win by a pole, then there obviously has to be some other outside factor that didn't let him do his thing. Since I think AGS is a dog, I wasn't impressed with the Tampa Bay effort as well. He has ran two races this year and hasn't yet shown that he stands out in my opinion. I think that the probable derby favorite needs to show this progression into a dominant animal before the race. Without his BC win at Churchill last year, he would be another Zanjero.

I suppose that I am gambling against him repeating what I consider to be a "freak" effort. Without that effort, he hasn't shown me that he is any better than the rest.