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ateamstupid 04-29-2007 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
To heck with the numbers guys. She ran hard and did not quit. I am very pleasantly suprised with the EFFORT. Man I hope she is ok. She has got some speed and apparently some guts. And she gets a lot of attention.
As if we didn't extol the EFFORT at great length already. The number means a lot.

ArlJim78 04-29-2007 01:41 PM
In Sumwon's race both Battaglia and Joanne Jones never mentioned her.

Now Chuck has another horse in the fifth, the eight Bens League. Battaglia picked him on top!! Joanne also.
The Simon bandwagon rolls on.

pmacdaddy 04-29-2007 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by trifecta124
I am so pumped right now........She had a ton of fight left in her at the end of the race. Can't wait until she runs again.

Congrats to all!
Your first post. Atta boy Johnny..

Again. Today was just Awesome!! She looked fantastic.

Great thanks to Chuck and Steve.

ShadowRoll 04-29-2007 02:12 PM
Yes, thanks to Chuck and Steve. And geez...she showed a lot of heart!!! Congratulations everybody!

ddthetide 04-29-2007 02:14 PM
What agreat run by our girl!!! she never quit!
GREAT job! chuck and gang! MANY THANKS to you and steve !:D

Rupert Pupkin 04-29-2007 02:16 PM
Congratulations guys!

JDank34 04-29-2007 02:55 PM
great job chuck. i will be on the backside wed. morning spending some time with Ian W. and would love to come by and say hello. also, Pat Strong is not on this site but wanted me to pass on congrats to you and the DT team. he will be with me wed. take care and hope to possibly see ya later this week.

pgardn 04-29-2007 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
The number means a lot.
Why?

ateamstupid 04-29-2007 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Why?
For one, it will do a lot to suggest where she could be placed. If she's got a figure in the low 60s, she could probably be dropped slightly without fear of a claim. If it's 80 or so, she's going to attract some serious attention at the claim box.

If Chuck wants to put her in a cheaper allowance, the figure is going to give a barometer of how she would compete at that level.

Your whole "forget the numbers" thing is tiresome. She was game AND she'll probably get a very fast number. They're both compliments. Why do we have to "forget the numbers"?

SniperSB23 04-29-2007 03:16 PM
Based on the 4th and 7th the track looks fairly fast today. Anyone have DRF PPs to see what sort of figures Value Fund (winner of the 7th) had been running? His brisnet figures were a little higher than the fillies in the 2nd.

ateamstupid 04-29-2007 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Based on the 4th and 7th the track looks fairly fast today. Anyone have DRF PPs to see what sort of figures Value Fund (winner of the 7th) had been running? His brisnet figures were a little higher than the fillies in the 2nd.
She had back figures in the high 70s, but her last three were in the mid-60s. Class drop might've boosted that today.

SniperSB23 04-29-2007 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
She had back figures in the high 70s, but her last three were in the mid-60s. Class drop might've boosted that today.
Thanks, seems like 70-72 would be a good guess for Sumwon then.

pgardn 04-29-2007 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
For one, it will do a lot to suggest where she could be placed. If she's got a figure in the low 60s, she could probably be dropped slightly without fear of a claim. If it's 80 or so, she's going to attract some serious attention at the claim box.

If Chuck wants to put her in a cheaper allowance, the figure is going to give a barometer of how she would compete at that level.

Your whole "forget the numbers" thing is tiresome. She was game AND she'll probably get a very fast number. They're both compliments. Why do we have to "forget the numbers"?
If Chuck has to rely on a low 70 or close to 80 beyer to figure how to place her, we are in trouble. So since we must rely on the numbers ateam, surely we must know how they are calculated... so help me with this. Show me how you arrived at your Beyer number using Beyer's methods. If you got each step on how your arrived at the number it would be helpful cause I dont know. I use the numbers mainly to compare horses coming in from different tracks. Some tracks give especially high numbers, some are too low when they actually meet. I especially enjoy the numbers when a turf race is taken off to the slop of the dirt (as I have no idea how the number was arrived at). I await your detailed method.

31lengths 04-29-2007 03:34 PM
where can i find a video of this race? funds are limited until May 5 ;)

brianwspencer 04-29-2007 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 31lengths
where can i find a video of this race? funds are limited until May 5 ;)
Go to the Churchill Downs website and login there (if you're a CDSN online member. It's free to sign up, and you can watch any CDSN track's replays in the upper right corner of its homepage). Just select race 2, and click the little (+) sign and it will launch another window you can watch it in.

2 Dollar Bill 04-29-2007 03:39 PM
Thank you Girl...a nice $$$$$ return on a across the board bet.... and showed some fantastic Heart....I hope she came back to the barn safe and sound...and ready to battle another day !!!!

31lengths 04-29-2007 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Go to the Churchill Downs website and login there (if you're a CDSN online member. It's free to sign up, and you can watch any CDSN track's replays in the upper right corner of its homepage). Just select race 2, and click the little (+) sign and it will launch another window you can watch it in.

thanks, Brian.

miraja2 04-29-2007 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
Where did I suggest the bolded above? There are no scientifically accurate figures to describe something with as many variables as racing, you dont need to be scientific, I just want the recipe.
And horse that is an 8 year old running an 80 beyer v. a horse that is 2 running 60's could possibly yield very diff. market values. I would hope a claiming purchase would actually involve looking at the horse and how the horse ran(runs). And of course the market clearly involves heredity and sex...

I guess what I am saying is I am very happy with the horse's improvement and I will not be waiting anxiously for the Beyer she receives and using it to compare to her previous numbers. Maybe Chuck will. And I never stated you said it was scientific. I just want the method... the recipe. If I know how much time matters, level of competition, etc... and how much each is weighted in your number then I might be able to ascertain for myself if the number is descriptive.
ateamstupid is clearly right on this one.
pgardn, If YOU don't care what the number is - or even if you didn't care about speed figures at all - that would be fine.
His point is that since other people DO care about the numbers.....they do matter. If a horse runs a very good speed figure and you put her in a cheap claiming race in her next start, she is more likely to get claimed. That seems obvious to me. You might think that claiming a horse based on a speed figure is stupid....and maybe you're right....but other people do look at figures when deciding when to claim a horse.
Therefore the number the filly gets might be one factor - obviously not the only factor or even the main factor, but a factor nonetheless - in determining where she should go in her next start.

fpsoxfan 04-29-2007 04:13 PM
Great Job!! I'm looking forward to seeing her at Saratoga this summer. I'm happy for all you guys. You all must be very thrilled and proud. :)

Danzig 04-29-2007 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Has Steve sent out paperwork on the NY deal? If so, I haven't gotten it.

AWESOME JOB by Chuck and his crew. Unbelievable improvement since he has had Sumwon. Chuck is the goods.
i believe steve said after the derby he'll get started on the ny deal.

Bigsmc 04-29-2007 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i believe steve said after the derby he'll get started on the ny deal.
Thanks 'zig.

philcski 04-29-2007 04:50 PM
If Chuck brings her back at 50K and she gets claimed away, what's the big deal about that? Yeah, she's special because she's the FIRST DeeTee, but if she gets claimed away, you've got a $25k profit to work with and that's some money to build off of.

She clearly "belongs" at this level. Hopefully she'll find the winner's circle next time after this tremendous effort.

Danzig 04-29-2007 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
If Chuck brings her back at 50K and she gets claimed away, what's the big deal about that? Yeah, she's special because she's the FIRST DeeTee, but if she gets claimed away, you've got a $25k profit to work with and that's some money to build off of.

She clearly "belongs" at this level. Hopefully she'll find the winner's circle next time after this tremendous effort.
yeah, my head tells me the same thing....BUT! here's hoping we get to keep her for the year. in the money on dirt and poly, would love to see her on turf again. but i have complete faith in chuck to put her where she needs to be.

miraja2 04-29-2007 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
If Chuck brings her back at 50K and she gets claimed away, what's the big deal about that? Yeah, she's special because she's the FIRST DeeTee, but if she gets claimed away, you've got a $25k profit to work with and that's some money to build off of.

She clearly "belongs" at this level. Hopefully she'll find the winner's circle next time after this tremendous effort.
From a business perspective you are right, but I think the owners would prefer not to risk losing her for sentimental reasons. I'm not one of the owners so I don't know.....but I think their first priority might be not "losing her."
I can't blame them for that.

Danzig 04-29-2007 04:54 PM
would be a hell of an ROI...

pointman 04-29-2007 05:02 PM
Chuck, I want to thank you for an excellent job today. Sumwon looked great and was game right to the end. Congratulations to all the other partners, this looks like it is going to be a lot of fun! Steve, great job also, you guys obviously have an eye for a good buy, she proved today she is worth double her purchase price. Let's get the NY Bred rolling!!!

Danzig 04-29-2007 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman
Chuck, I want to thank you for an excellent job today. Sumwon looked great and was game right to the end. Congratulations to all the other partners, this looks like it is going to be a lot of fun! Steve, great job also, you guys obviously have an eye for a good buy, she proved today she is worth double her purchase price. Let's get the NY Bred rolling!!!
i second this post!!


thanks to chuck, steve, cherie, and mostly to sumwon--she's carrying a lot of weight!!


chuck, you're the man! lol

SniperSB23 04-29-2007 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
If Chuck brings her back at 50K and she gets claimed away, what's the big deal about that? Yeah, she's special because she's the FIRST DeeTee, but if she gets claimed away, you've got a $25k profit to work with and that's some money to build off of.

She clearly "belongs" at this level. Hopefully she'll find the winner's circle next time after this tremendous effort.
I don't have a problem losing her at $50K. The question is though do we drop her in for $30K next to get a win and take that risk? Personally I hope we try her at $50K again unless a perfect allowance comes up but I'm cool with whatever Chuck wants to do next.

miraja2 04-29-2007 05:38 PM
Chuck and Steve obviously get a lot of credit for what they have done....and they deserve it. But I also want to thank all of you guys that invested in this filly. I wish I could have joined you!
I have been a longtime fan of this sport, but I never really knew anything about the owning/business end of the sport until I came on DT. This has been fun for me as a fan to get some inside scoop into what goes on when a horse is purchased and sent to the races with new connections. Your decision to buy this filly has allowed me to live vicariously through you guys as you have progressed with her, and it has been a lot of fun.
I think she will have continued success, but whatever happens from here on out, you guys just finished second in a race at the most famous racetrack in the country! That is just plain cool, and I think everyone on this site appreciates YOU, for giving us such a nice filly to root for.

ateamstupid 04-29-2007 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I don't have a problem losing her at $50K. The question is though do we drop her in for $30K next to get a win and take that risk? Personally I hope we try her at $50K again unless a perfect allowance comes up but I'm cool with whatever Chuck wants to do next.
Not my call, but I'd say no. She was way too sharp today at $50,000, she's got HUGE shot of winning at that level after today's effort. Plus, she could easily get claimed for $30,000, but you'll probably get to keep her if she's up for $50k.

She's only going to get better.

Sightseek 04-29-2007 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
Chuck and Steve obviously get a lot of credit for what they have done....and they deserve it. But I also want to thank all of you guys that invested in this filly. I wish I could have joined you!
I have been a longtime fan of this sport, but I never really knew anything about the owning/business end of the sport until I came on DT. This has been fun for me as a fan to get some inside scoop into what goes on when a horse is purchased and sent to the races with new connections. Your guys decision to buy this filly has allowed me to live vicariously through you guys as you have progressed with her, and it has been a lot of fun.
I think she will have continued success, but whatever happens from here on out, you guys just finished second in a race at the most famous racetrack in the country! That is just plain cool, and I think everyone on this site appreciates YOU, for giving us such a nice filly to root for.
miraja - thanks for all of your kind words and support of Sumwon and Dee-Tee Stables! :)

Scav 04-29-2007 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I don't have a problem losing her at $50K. The question is though do we drop her in for $30K next to get a win and take that risk? Personally I hope we try her at $50K again unless a perfect allowance comes up but I'm cool with whatever Chuck wants to do next.
You don't drop this horse ONE BIT. there would be 100 claims in for her at 30k or even 40k. She ran lights out today and if Martinez could have milked that 2nd quarter a little more (46/3 was way too quick, 23 internal) she wins this race, she had PLENTY in the tank and was coming back at the 2. Honestly, my guess is she might be claimed if you run her back for 50k by a guy like Amoss. This had to be her best sheet number and there will be plenty of races for her at Arlington/Churchill coming up. Plenty of Allowance opt claiming at either. Plus I think Churchill has the free shuttle up to here to Arlington, which the competition is alot lighter, either way, she ran awesome today

ateamstupid 04-29-2007 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
You don't drop this horse ONE BIT. there would be 100 claims in for her at 30k or even 40k. She ran lights out today and if Martinez could have milked that 2nd quarter a little more (46/3 was way too quick, 23 internal) she wins this race, she had PLENTY in the tank and was coming back at the 2. Honestly, my guess is she might be claimed if you run her back for 50k by a guy like Amoss. This had to be her best sheet number and there will be plenty of races for her at Arlington/Churchill coming up. Plenty of Allowance opt claiming at either. Plus I think Churchill has the free shuttle up to here to Arlington, which the competition is alot lighter, either way, she ran awesome today
Bingo.

mclem10011 04-29-2007 06:07 PM
Congrats....
 
All around to DT STABLES! :)

whorstman 04-29-2007 06:08 PM
Way to go Dters!
 
I was out there today and saw the race. Wow! I was super impressed with the game effort. Great job of the connections getting the right spot. She hung tough. Really a knockout looking filly. Got to see her post race up close. I was really excited for you guys. The 9.80 place money I got was very nice. Congrats to all involved!!:cool:

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-29-2007 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
looked GREAT!!!! second place, in the right spot today!! way to go chuck, way to go girl!!!
Just got back home...just one thing to say:

Thanks to everyone involved!!! :)

I am proud to be a member of Derby Trail, Dee Tee Stables and the chance to share the excitement with all of you!!!!

"Sumwon" running 2nd today...was like winning the Derby to me!

pmacdaddy 04-29-2007 06:34 PM
I like the thought of an optional claiming start. Really hope we keep her for a big start at the Spa...

Feelin like we are in good hands with Chuck at the helm...

Danzig 04-29-2007 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
You don't drop this horse ONE BIT. there would be 100 claims in for her at 30k or even 40k. She ran lights out today and if Martinez could have milked that 2nd quarter a little more (46/3 was way too quick, 23 internal) she wins this race, she had PLENTY in the tank and was coming back at the 2. Honestly, my guess is she might be claimed if you run her back for 50k by a guy like Amoss. This had to be her best sheet number and there will be plenty of races for her at Arlington/Churchill coming up. Plenty of Allowance opt claiming at either. Plus I think Churchill has the free shuttle up to here to Arlington, which the competition is alot lighter, either way, she ran awesome today
i agree, i see no reason to drop down.
i know it's way too much to hope for, but i'll be in chicago in july--but the odds of her and i both being there the same week?! well.....

if there's any way possible, i'll be there for her next. kicking myself for not going up.

hoovesupsideyourhead 04-29-2007 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I don't have a problem losing her at $50K. The question is though do we drop her in for $30K next to get a win and take that risk? Personally I hope we try her at $50K again unless a perfect allowance comes up but I'm cool with whatever Chuck wants to do next.
like a race on 5/16 allw 50k 7f...fillys and mares 3 and up NON WINNERS OF 2X.. she has the speed and is looking her best..its a win win

SniperSB23 04-29-2007 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
like a race on 5/16 allw 50k 7f...fillys and mares 3 and up NON WINNERS OF 2X.. she has the speed and is looking her best..its a win win
Yeah, some more options if we want to step up and take on elders. Looks to be as good an option as any. Still one condition higher than she's at though which is going to make it a very tough spot.


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