He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

"and what Haskin has to say about him"

he's dappled and and strong on the rein? he says that about everyone.

i don't think you'll find a quote on 5 horses in the derby that doesn't include one of these.

Scavs I really believe if he has to pass 3 here, 2 there, 3 more covering the rail and wider..., he is not going to get up. There are so many horses.

Huge set of gonads Scavs. But nobody can accuse you of holding back.

There is always some moron that will go fast in the Derby, I have no issues with getting War Emblem'ed or even going down in flames with CQ. It will take alot to change my mind. Everyone forgets that he has run well at CD, something that should never be overlooked. Which is why I like Zanjero also, I am actually considering a $25 or $50 exacta box with those two.

i think this years Derby is pretty clear cut, i am just waiting for final TG figures to come out, if I had to tout five horses right now they would be

Circular Quay
Zanjero
Street Sense
Scat Daddy
Hard Spun/AGS/Liquidity

Curlin = to the moon
Nobiz = style will hurt him and I refuse to bet Albert the Great progeny
Great Hunter = slow
Stormello = Give this horse to Pletcher and he wins the Derby by 10 lengths
Dominican = will use in the tri but dirt form sucks
Tiago = come on
Rattown Cat = COME ON TWO
Storm in may = thanks for the free table on Derby Day
Slew's Tizzy = can't win but might pull a closing argument and stay around alot longer then should
Xchanger = have no idea who this horse is
cobalt Blue = Come on THREE
Sam P = COME ON FOUR
Sedgefield = COME ON FIVE BIZILLION
T'berg = no comment

so fired up I am quote myself when I meant to quote Pat

Pat, I want you to watch how he just ENGULFS fields, it doesn't matter how many he has to pass, as long as JV times that ride right, and keeps him straight and his lungs hold, hello winner circle

Well I know everyone posted there thoughts so her goes mine. I think Dominican is gonna be the "wiseguy" horse. And I hope he proves me right, cause I will admit, that damned Point Determined got me.:rolleyes:

come on man, put down the bong.

the only serious wise guy competion to zanjero.

There will be a few horses at lower odds than smack diddy. I think Street Sense, Curlin, Nobiz, CQ will go off at lower odds, maybe a couple more (Great Hunter maybe, Dominican if somethin' weird happens) Why cant Scat be a wise guy horse!

If Scat is less then CQ then I will be betting Scat Daddy even harder, he has an absolute GREAT pattern leading in this race, GREAT pattern

You have a vendetta against this horse so you get zero comments...

Hoss, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that Curlin is the favorite, at probably 7/2. NO DOUBT in my mind. Crazy public wants this horse to win bad and won't let a bargin like a 7/2 favorite get away from them. NO THANK YOU MY FRIEND on Curlin. no thank you.

absolutely not, no vendetta.

nothing personal, strictly business.

refuse to believe such falseness

Vendetta Jim

If Curlin (7/2) takes that much money, there are going to be a number of people with horses they like that will be overjoyed. That does not leave a very large % of money left for a bunch of other horses. This will really be interesting. I cant see 7/2. I see Street Sense at a little over 4/1. The Brits would put it at 13/3. We dont like those odd numbers here. How about 22/5...

Dominican hasnt run on the dirt since they snipped his goods, right?? He has wise guy written all over him. I know I said the same about Notional, but I absolutely love Dominican's stretch running. He has a good amount of tactical speed, enough to keep him prime for the pounce of the pacesetters. A big plus (for me only probably) is that Bejarano stays up.. This kid has the right stuff and it's only a matter of time that he wins a TC race. It may be a biased point of view, but I can see him roping some dead horses in mid stretch. Hopefully he can hit the board as my group of cronies will be keying him (along with CQ) in all three spots..Also, looking for a pricey pick 3/4..Fever's kickin in.

you know, Curlin is starting to sound a little like Bellamy Rd. Who won by open lengths in the Wood then was morning line 3-1. He crept up a little to I think 7-2 then went off at 3-1; I guess. However, BR got hurt, I hope Curlin doesnt get hurt.

I must have missed that race.. Louisiana Derby, fast fractions. Juvenile, fast fractions. Breeders' Futurity, fast fractions. Hopeful, sizzling fractions.

I like Circular Quay as much as the next guy, and I agree that because he has such a strong kick, he's nearly a lock to hit the board, but unless a bunch of jockeys decide to go nuts on the front end, I think he's a tough pill to swallow on top, especially at about 8/1, which he'll be, not 10/1 or 12/1.

This one wil be in my plays, unless his pp is so far out it's useless!

For what it's worth Scav's...Pletcher said ATRAB yesterday that he felt Scat Daddy would gain more benefit of the likely pace scenario than Circular Quay.

He also said that he wants Garret to take Any Given Saturday off the pace, which makes no sense at all to me.

If he goes, Slew's Tizzy will be the wise guy. I would kinda like to see him be the next "big fat horse who likes to run every two weeks".

Although, for the horse's sake I will admit I want him to skip the Derby and whoop some booty in the Preakness. He really is a good looking colt. LOVE that little blaze.

Me either...

A little indecisiveness has crept into Scav's head and it is possible that if I can squeeze 7/1 out of Street Sense, I might move tack to him. I doubt it though.....

Uh oh.

I don't think there is anyway you'll get 7-1 on SS. Then again, I didn't think SNS would be the chalk last year, so what do I know.





Did you really have 40 putts this past weekend? If so, how did your putter survive the round?

I won't touch him at 10/1 plus. I don't think this one will run. If I'm wrong, then so be it. Still with Quay as of now.

I forgot to look at that thread, I had a couple meltdowns, I shot a 49 to open and thought I would break a 100, as the back is easier then the front at my home course but then I busted out an 8(4), 7(3), 3(1),9(4) and just caused all sorts of problems. I did sink about a 20fter for par though that was pretty cool. I got all Chi-Chi on my friends. I am still the guy that thinks he can control a 5w 200 yards into the green, instead of laying up....

Well Scav... you might want to re-evaluate because I'm using the same horses MINUS Circular Quay.

That is why I think SNS was the wisefuy pick last year. Everything I used last year pointed directly at Barbaro and Pletchers Cat. The night before the derby I drank the Kool-Aide and fell for the wiseguy horse. All the talk was that regardless of his PPs Barbaro couldnt win because of some age old tradition. We all know what happened. The best prepared and the best horse won.. To me there are three horses that can be talked about and You could sub there name for barbaros last year, Curlin, CQ and maybe Dominican or SS, This years SNS is AGS. Beware every thing thats being said sounds like all the comments about SNS last year.

Funny Cide.

If Desormeaux didn't forget to turn on his brain, he would have competed with Barbaro to the end, he was loaded for bear until Kent went to the rail and got stopped. I doubt he beats Barbaro, but he at least competes down the stretch IMO

I totally disagree. . . What has SNS shown since the Derby that makes you think he could hang with Barbaro?