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lemoncrush 04-17-2007 01:43 PM

According to bloodhorse, the horse didn't meet her reserve and was bought back (will still be trained by Ward). See quote below.

Van Meter indicated the filly would remain with trainer with Wesley Ward, who co-owns the filly with Robert Tanklage. "She's going to get some time off and I think we will see her again at Del Mar," he said

brianwspencer 04-17-2007 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
The ill fated Gallant Secret was 2nd in 2004 (she was pulled up in the Deleware Oaks). The filly, Five Star Holding, was the one who was 2nd behind Half Ours.

But at least Gallant Secret went on to dance lots of dances between that and her last race. She had a pretty good run.

Sightseek 04-17-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The only horse I can remember in the last several years to run in one of the 4.5F races at KEE then actually turn out to be something as an elder was Limehouse.

1 in about 1000 is not a very good track record. Good luck to them...

Did any of these winners break their maidens previously at KEE?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=658

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The only horse I can remember in the last several years to run in one of the 4.5F races at KEE then actually turn out to be something as an elder was Limehouse.

1 in about 1000 is not a very good track record. Good luck to them...


Favorite Trick and More Than Ready?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2007 01:49 PM

$300K can actually be spent much worse in this game.

I believe Angel Island and Appealing Zophie were jointly the two fastest fillies to win going 4.5 at KEE last year....

One of them would become a Grade 1 winner, the other hasn't raced since.

That filly will really have her hands full with the freaky Sea of Pleasure on Derby week---if the new owners intend to run there.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2007 01:50 PM

Badge of Silver was still running well in Grade 1 races at age 6 after winning a 4.5 furlong race at KEE by a pole.

He, however, came out of the race with a fractured leg, and would fracture it again later on in his career.

Bigsmc 04-17-2007 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Did any of these winners break their maidens previously at KEE?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=658

Lunarpal did.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2007 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Lunarpal did.

As did Yes It's True, and previously mentioned Favorite Trick and More Than Ready.

I think champion 2yo Answer Lively and Hollywood Futurity winner Tactical Cat ran against each other in the same race, in one of those 4.5f KEE races in '98.

I think City Zip might have come out of one of those races as well....but I'm not totally sure about that. There've been a few OK ones.

paisjpq 04-17-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Badge of Silver was still running well in Grade 1 races at age 6 after winning a 4.5 furlong race at KEE by a pole.

He, however, came out of the race with a fractured leg, and would fracture it again later on in his career.

not that it's really relevant but he also had really crappy feet that he got from his mother Silveroo...and a tender footed horse is often more likely to hurt itself somewhere else...

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not that it's really relevant but he also had really crappy feet that he got from his mother Silveroo...and a tender footed horse is often more likely to hurt itself somewhere else...


When did relevance become a prerequisite around here?

paisjpq 04-17-2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
When did relevance become a prerequisite around here?

good point.

philcski 04-17-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Favorite Trick and More Than Ready?

Earlier than I was thinking of in the "last few years" but both are certainly qualified as good at 3 and beyond. Still the "current" era of racing.

philcski 04-17-2007 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not that it's really relevant but he also had really crappy feet that he got from his mother Silveroo...and a tender footed horse is often more likely to hurt itself somewhere else...

I think Badge of Silver could have been something special if they could have kept him in one piece...

SniperSB23 04-17-2007 02:14 PM

Isn't there something physical that needs to happen to a horse (like their knees closing or something) that once it happens they are fine to run. For some 2yos it happens early and they are fine to race in February, for others it doesn't happen until later and it is a bad idea to run them that early. That was the impression I was under. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?

Sightseek 04-17-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Isn't there something physical that needs to happen to a horse (like their knees closing or something) that once it happens they are fine to run. For some 2yos it happens early and they are fine to race in February, for others it doesn't happen until later and it is a bad idea to run them that early. That was the impression I was under. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?

Bethani would be able to go into much more detail but I don't think they break them until they knees are closed and I think most people radiograph them. Horses of other breeds don't mature as quickly.

philcski 04-17-2007 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Isn't there something physical that needs to happen to a horse (like their knees closing or something) that once it happens they are fine to run. For some 2yos it happens early and they are fine to race in February, for others it doesn't happen until later and it is a bad idea to run them that early. That was the impression I was under. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?

Ask Xtra or I'll ask her for you, that's her area of expertise.

Cajungator26 04-17-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Bethani would be able to go into much more detail but I don't think they break them until they knees are closed and I think most people radiograph them. Horses of other breeds don't mature as quickly.

I know warmbloods definitely take longer for their knees to close. Interesting question brought up, though. I often wondered if they made sure their knees were closed before breaking them.

Sightseek 04-17-2007 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I know warmbloods definitely take longer for their knees to close. Interesting question brought up, though. I often wondered if they made sure their knees were closed before breaking them.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing that you can't start jumping them until 5 or 6 but you can run a Thoroughbred at full speed at 2!

whodey17 04-17-2007 02:49 PM

She failed to meet her reserve. Eaton bought her back for $300k. Here is whats saif about her conformation.

"While she is really fast, she has one wheel that the conformation is off a little bit," said Eaton Sales partner Tom Van Meter. "It was just tough to get her past the market. Everybody came to look at her, but it was just tough to get her passed through. Her left knee was a little freaky, and she was a tad offset and toed-in a bit."

smuthg 04-17-2007 04:21 PM

Does paying $300k for the 4.5F record holder make any more or less since than $1.5 Mil for that Mineshaft filly that went 1F in 9.6 seconds?

2 Dollar Bill 04-17-2007 04:43 PM

$300,000 for One Hot Wish ??? >>>> I thought this was some type of fantasy thread.....:p :p .... Never Mind...

Round Pen 04-17-2007 05:32 PM

OK lets put you guys and gals to the test there has been a horse that I saw run ( Iam 44 years old) that broke its maiden at Keeneland going 4.5F then went on to win a triple Crown Race Can you name Him???????




Round Pen

paisjpq 04-17-2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Bethani would be able to go into much more detail but I don't think they break them until they knees are closed and I think most people radiograph them. Horses of other breeds don't mature as quickly.

I think we all know who the real expert is on this subject, and it ain't moi;)

my understanding is that the TB is an early maturing breed (relative to orther breeds) the knees should be closed at some point in the 2YO year...but starting training while the bones are still undergoing remodling will ultimately get you a sounder horse IMO, provided the long yearling/short 2YO is brought along carefully and not asked for speed early.

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen
OK lets put you guys and gals to the test there has been a horse that I saw run ( Iam 44 years old) that broke its maiden at Keeneland going 4.5F then went on to win a triple Crown Race Can you name Him???????




Round Pen



Yeah, Summer Squall.

citycat 04-17-2007 06:05 PM

Interesting that HIP 86 ends up easily being the sale topper as a filly. The next closest was HIP 165 a Mr Greeley colt.

Lots of RNA's and the big HIP 125 ended up being an out.

The Boundry's were a little surprising as they brought some good money and people still love those Include babies.

Outbid twice.....darn the luck

2Hot4TV 04-17-2007 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The horse is a mess physically. She's extremely crooked. That's why she didn't go for more money.

Funny how some stumble and have trouble walking, but they can run. Go figure.

pba1817 04-17-2007 07:28 PM

Did anyone else bother to read the charts from the card from Keeneland that day?

Some very, very fast times out of some very, very ordinary horses and fields.

Sightseek 04-17-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I think we all know who the real expert is on this subject, and it ain't moi;)

my understanding is that the TB is an early maturing breed (relative to orther breeds) the knees should be closed at some point in the 2YO year...but starting training while the bones are still undergoing remodling will ultimately get you a sounder horse IMO, provided the long yearling/short 2YO is brought along carefully and not asked for speed early.

If you do a google search there are a few fantastic articles on the remodeling of bones as two year olds. (of course there are also lots in the counter-arguement too by those that don't support two year old racing)

Dunbar 04-18-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The horse is a mess physically. She's extremely crooked. That's why she didn't go for more money.

Rupert, sometimes you must feel like it's shouting into the wind. Anyway, thanks for the insight.

--Dunbar

Linny 04-18-2007 09:42 AM

She went for nothing, she didn't sell.

The Mineshaft filly OTOH was probably a better buy. She's well bred, correct looking, fast and sired by the stallion who was the most expensive horse to enter stud during his 1st season. It's a great sireline and even if sh'e bombs at the races her residual value is all but assured.


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