I'll let it go man cause I am different now a days brother. I meant no harm, just unleashed. My veins are ice cold anymore.

Man, Docoic, I feel for you. In this connected world, nobody can escape an episode like this without someone they know either in person or online being effected. Glad your son is OK...

ALostTexan

Good news to hear,Doc! Thanks for letting us know.

first casualty identified..

Mr. Ryan Clark from Georgia.


RIP young man:(

Someone should get fired. What the police chief and university president failed to do is inexcusable. Just imagine if it was your kid who died today and you find out that the university president decided to not lockdown the campus and cancel classes.

It is rare that I feel at a complete loss having read someone's opinion.

My only thought being . . .BE GLAD THAT IT IS NOT YOUR CHILD AND THAT YOU MAY NOT EVER KNOW SUCH GRIEF.

As it changes your life, FOREVER.

Rumor is this is the shooter's facebook.

http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?id=6202368&l=d1b29

sorry man....but you were the one bitching and moaning about a sore tooth last week and looking for sympathy.

Now you can't give any respect to people being involved in the WORSE MASSACRE in US history???

Im sorry....but this has hit very close to home today. I saw the look of fear and panic in my buddies eyes because his wife works at Va Tech. The 3 most critical injured are in a hospital that sits less than 5 minutes from my apartment. They are in very critical condition and still unsure if they are gonna make it.

Give what a rest? You aren't lecturing DTS here...nothing about my post was political!

Crazy shiat... :eek:

My sis has an HK. I own two handguns myself, and IMO it's horrible that this happened, because now people are going to point fingers at Bush and say that nobody should be allowed to own guns.

I agree. You had every right to mention that. In fact, it isn't mentioned enough.

yeah...kids being killed in Iraq has NOTHING to do with politics.

If that chick in there is/was his girlfriend, she was very pretty. :(

How sad that people get this way.

oh wow...doci, first i knew that you had a child there. glad to hear he is well.

Cajun, chances are this guy is a foreigner. The pattern for these college shooters has been isolated foreign student.

Did you see where he labeled the one album "Herpes Simplex B?" Damn, they must have had a nasty breakup... looks like he went ballistic.

sometimes, when you can think of nothing to say, i'm sorry generally will do. or maybe nothing at all, rather than something like the above!

Yeah it's scary stuff. He was obsessed with this girl.

bullshit it wasn't. KIDS DYING IN IRAQ compared to THIS. No where NEAR comparable. That is like comparing Arlington to Hawthorne

Get off your rocker

Where did you find this? This guy was really sick... the titles to these albums are lewd. It's hard to believe that someone can hate life as much as that. Really sad.

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You know, I take a lot of bs here from folks with an ax to grind, I don't give a **** what you think about me but don't you dare put words in my mouth or assume you know me...you don't. I was expressing a sentiment that had zero political implication, I doubt you'd find a politician on either side of the political spectrum that favors death of kids in Iraq, Virginia or the moon...try reading for comprehension instead of thinking you can read my mind!

In this context, what is the point of mentioned IRAQ?

ABSOLUTELY ZERO.

Somer....kids dying sucks either way. I hate the fact they are dying in Iraq just as much as I hate and grieve for the kids and faculty that were killed today.

These kids in Iraq inlisted into the service of their choice, KNOWING that there is always the chance of war, conflict, etc... Sh*t...some of these people are asking to go back to Iraq for a 2nd and 3rd time. They know that death is a possibility. It DOES NOT make their deaths any less sad....

but to mention them in the same sentence came across in the wrong manner to me. They can't possibly be compared...IMO.

Some of those captions were really really creepy...those poor people.

Matter of fact, I HEARD 2nd hand that in the agreement you sign with the armed forces, it even SAYS in their that their is a possibility of death within your enlistment. I could be completely wrong but it validates what you just said

I deleted what I said earlier

I care not too get as personal as I did earlier bout these issues at hand

My fault, I did

How ****ing awful. It wasn't listed as so bad when I left the house earlier today :( Got home and now it's a bloodbath.

Docicu -- thank God that your son is alright.

The 3 critical patients at Roanoke Memorial Hospital, the closest level 1 trauma center, would have been helicopter flyouts had it not been for the high winds in the area. Bad f'ing timing, especially since the hospital is 45 minutes away. God speed to those 3 and all the other wounded.

Dr.d, I'm sorry your son has had to endure yet another trauma such as this. I know that you will hug him, and hold him; gratefully knowing he was not harmed physically. Yet mentally, it is still a lot to cope with in the coming days and weeks.

Take good care.

Ahh, sometimes words just don't express such a profound sense of confusion and overwhelming sadness. What a waste of human life. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone that was affected. And doc, very glad your son is okay.

well said Skip...you need to stop f'n around and stick around these parts.

This thread became what it should not have been... I vote to take it down completely, wake up tomorrow and think about things and people that really matter...and what we ALL have!!!!! Partly because of those 'kids' serving and dying in Iraq. Not because of some psycho in VA.....

Killer identified:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18148802/

I've seen this point mentioned in a couple of previous posts so I'll ask my questions using your above quote Grits just to frame my response:

How do you think VT could have better informed ALL of the VT students of the dorm shooting so that ALL VT students would have been aware of that situation?

I've also seen the term "lockdown" mentioned. How would a campus of over 100 buildings undergo a "lockdown"? Given the first tragic event, and not knowing how it was going to play into any future events, at what point would /should a total "lockdown" of the campus occurred?

Keep in mind that VT has apparently had a number of bomb threats issued recently. In light of those bomb threats, should the campus have been "locked down" and evacuated with each threat?

I work at a major University in the mid-Atlantic so this sad event really hits home for me. I work in just one building which has 4 floors so I am fully aware of how difficult it would be to completely lockdown just this one building, much less all buildings on a large campus. I also can see and understand why what could have been an isolated domestic event ( the original killing in the dorm) was not deemed sufficient reason to lockdown an entire campus. Given the daily occurances on and near my campus, we'd spend 30% of our time in lockdown if we shut our doors with each and every crime that occured nearby.

We have an emergency siren on my campus - it was installed a few years ago when a tornado ripped through a few buildings. Now, this siren is mostly ignored when it goes off. We have card swipe security for doors but these doors are routinely either propped open by students or the students themselves open the doors for those who should not have access to the building. I mention this because I think it is way too early to rush to judgement on the VT campus officials and the timing of their issuing an alert to campus members. Give the facts a chance to come out and I think we'll find that their human side caused them to do the best they felt they could, given the circumstances.

Can someone please go find that Facebook dude and take away all his guns?

There's nobody
I can rerate to
Feel rike a bird in a cage
It's kinda sihry
But not rearry
Because it's fihring my body with rage

I'm the smartest most crever most physicarry fit
But nobody else seems to rearize it
When I change the world maybe they'll notice me
But until then I'rr just be ronery
Rittle ronery, poor rittle me

I want to reiterate what phytech wrote - he's right on the money... before my current job, I worked in a major west coasts campus police department and was a part of the university's emergency operations team. Response to emergency situations unfortunately doesn't happen quickly. It takes time to get the administrations crisis response team together and for them to formulate a plan.

After the first shooting, it no doubt took a while to investigate the crime and determine a proper response. Yes, campus police would have put out a description of the suspect to local law enforcement agencies but what would make everyone assume that the shooter would go across campus two hours later and kill 30 people? Frequently, when domestic violence results in the man killing the woman, he retreats from the scene and kills himself. Yes, on occasion, he will go and kill other family members or co-workers but law enforcement has to know who the suspect is to determine what action he might take. This requires investigation that takes time.

The term "lock down" keeps getting used. I heard the analogy that that the Virginia Tech campus is three times the size of Central Park in New York. Does anyone here think NYPD could "lock down" Central Park in two hours? If you answered "no", then how could campus and local police in a small community do something more difficult? People also say, "they could have canceled classes"... yes, they could have, but that also takes time to make that determination and contacting the thousands of instructors and tens of thousands of students adds even more time. Two hours may seem like an eternity when people have died but I can tell you from drills and exercises that I have been a part of (and we did several "active shooter" exercises during my three years with the campus police), that time flies by while you get approval up the chain of command to do the things that you need to do.

My final point is that despite all the training, exercises and drills, policies and procedures, quick thinking and decision making that apply to this situation, when this type of incident happens, mistakes will be made, decisions will be second guessed, but not one person in VT's administration ever imagined/expected/dreamed that this type of end result would have ever happened. And no doubt, each member of that crisis response team will have nightmares about what ultimately did happened. Each and every person on that campus is a victim. Let your thoughts and prayers go out to them, don't second guess them now.

Call me crazy......

But the gunman sure looks like Wayne Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis Chiang