I'm sure he wont be too busy

[Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Name one who ran last weekend and won outside of California.]

Time Squared.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 5
Rathor.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 8
Ermine.. 4/7 Oaklawn (Apple Blossom.. Take D Tour ran 2nd)

shall I keep going? oh, you just wanted ONE

kimmmeaster is trolling, i think posting the obvious just fuels their fire.

mike not busy, thats funny.......the guy never stops ( :

I sure don't see you posting anything here worth talking about.I posted my opinion,and others have posted theirs.So people disagree with me.Big deal.But you have nothing to say.So you sir,are the one with no credibility.

I'm talking about 3 year olds.

I am sure you were after getting called out on your post.....backpedal.

I Am done with you!!!! Troll

oh.. I get it..

so of the three races.. Ill derby, wood, bayshore (do those fit your criteria)

21 entries, 3 from CA, one which was 100-1

none of them won! THEREFORE -> ALL CALIFORNIA HORSES STINK

Oh yeah... I remember logic class.

Okay,how about the triple crown trail then?I'm not fighting with you.Just talking horses and racing.Cool down

You tell him, Biggie. Tupac gets heated sometimes.

But yo....

where did you get my picture?

Why do you claim to have the right to disagree with people talking about Tiago? Did anyone try to deny you that right?

I thought your taking such execption to Steve saying to not ignore the horse may have been mistakenly based on thinking that he was predicting a win.

So to you a monster is any horse outside of California and you start your handicapping on Derby saturday with the racing form. okaaay. very well then, but this sounds foolish. In one sense you are saying you haven't even started handicapping yet, while at the same time you are ruling out any horse from California? That is very arbitrary.

Each horse should be evaluated on its merits not based on the state where they prepped. In general I would agree that the CA horses are not overly strong this year, but its too soon to start ruling out an entire region haphazardly. I would for sure not rule out Great Hunter or Tiago at this point.

You're claiming a NYB who made two starts in Cal and was favored in the Sham as a MAIDEN, a horse that ran most of her career in the midwest and made her last start in California, an Irish bred that had been running in NY, and a Florida bred that had been running mostly in NY as Cali's? That's a stretch, at best.

Listen, Tiago has as much chance as say Cowtown Cat or Scat Daddy in my mind. Less than 10% but more than 3%. If I get 25-1 I'll be interested.

This horse will be REALLY GOOD at 4, 5, 6. I'd rather he DIDNT win the Derby and get swept off to stud.

Great Hunter is the goods. Every passing day I like his chances more.

agreed.. His Lewis was impressive

Exactly, was oh so quick to throw Lava Man under the bus after Dubai but conveniently left off the awesome performances of English Channel and Miesque's Approval or Host and Honey Rider. :cool:

How about Ermine finally winning after getting out of California?

stop, I pointed that out in another thread and got crickets in response.

look, socal horses are not nearly as deep as they used to be, but the contentions posted by Kim are just absurd and wreek of bias.

I was not really impressed by anything this past weekend and if Tiago is 30/1 in the derby I would use him, but he wont be.

What I find absolutely mind boggling is why people are not more estatic with Tiago, and Giacomo to an extent. Its a reason why Barbaro was 6/1 instead of about 7/2 last year.

Its the Giacomo Syndrome, where horses with little chance are wildly overbet becuase they are long shots in these triple crown races. Remember the preakness after the derby giacomo won, all the horses were less then 20/1, even going wild who ran dead last in the derby was like 18/1.

I think seeing longshots win is a very good thing. It helps odds in future races and maybe, just maybe gets a few trainers out of the barn and take a chance, instead of waiting and scratching like frankel does, or even worse was spwar scratching bordonaro last weekend for a bad post.

Question: what kind of final furlong times do you all look for in a Derby prep? I've always thought anything sub-12 was noteworthy (think Afleet Alex, 2005 AR Derby). What do we make of the final furlong times from Saturday and the earlier preps?

I could be wrong but sub 12 furlong finishes are pretty rare in derby preps like the wood, sa derby, blue grass, etc

He will BOUNCE like a rubber ball.But now that he grabbed everyones attention,he will take some betting money come derby day.For me, I am not betting a dime on him.:rolleyes:

I don't believe Tiago will be that short of a price. I predict 15-1. I'd take him at that.

Obviously the SA Derby fell into Tiago's lap but it was only his fourth or fifth race. I'm not an especially big fan of his chances in the Derby, but I'm certainly interested in seeing how he progresses, as mediocre and distance challenged a field as the SA Derby was, and Sam P. got a very curious and mediocre ride, it doesn't seem fair to dismiss Tiago. He may well run a non-threatening race in the KY Derby, but for a horse with such little experience to have run at least the decent race he ran Saturday it doesn't seem logical to dismiss him. It hardly seems like the strongest contingency we've seen lining up for the first Saturday in May.

He's certainly improved a lot more in his short career than NoBiz Like Showbiz has. Why shouldn't he have more upside?

because if mike smith wins another derby the planet will implode..

It would be a miracle.

I would stop betting horse racing if he wins another derby.I know him from Alington Park.Not worth a dam,in my opinion as a jockey.

i am all for miracles, just think how someone that bad could end up winning it twice:)

What a laughable thread. I'd be willing to wager large sums of loot that the Portuguese name for James will soon be forgotten.

Mr.Caulkman...what,exactly,are your qualifications here ,sir?

He's my top choice right now, too. Cant wait to see him run this weekend in the BG Stakes. a lot can change though:eek:

It seems like an odd proposition to make a large wager on.

You forgot a comma after your. That's the awkward part of an internet message board, we're all qualified.

Umm, he has an internet connection and he can type?:confused: