1/9 i'll be passed out drunk before the undercard.

wow i never said i'd take the other filly in the derby, i just said i think shes better, i wouldnt run either in the derby....never did i say i would run magnificence in the derby, those words were never typed by me

Isn't that what we're talking about in this thread? A filly in the Derby? You brought two fillies into the picture that aren't even being pointed to the Derby. What did you think I was talking about? :confused:

i was just saying that my opinion is if.....high heels isent a top 5 three yr old filly then why run her in the derby vs the boys where she wont get that dream setup that she got last time out, like others have said on here she would be hard pressed to be competitive in the oaks.

I think that she has the better profile for the Derby than the previous two fillies you mentioned. It's not like we've got a real strong group of colts this year, PG. Why not take the shot?

What about her trip will be different than last time, outside of more traffic for a late run?

Are you talking about the fast pace she got that played right into her style?

You're right, she'd never get that in the Derby. What was I thinking?!

why take it ? the group is not very strong but its deep, im sure you could name 10 colts that have alot better chance then her, why risk ruining a nice filly because the connections have derby fever ?

Who says she'll be ruined?

the traffic is the biggest thing yes, but where is all the speed coming from in the derby this year ? there is not much speed, and the boys in front of her wont be quiting like they did at oaklawn, they go 22 and change early the 2 bombs who go that fast and are close to the pace finish last and third to last, even cotton blossom the heavy favorite who was close to the pace was empty and had nothing for high heels when she went by.

I'm as big a fan as any of Cotton Blossom, but watch the replay of that race and tell me that High Heels wasn't really digging in her 'heels.' She may have got a great setup, but she was much the best there and is worthy of her win.

Actually I was implying that her running in the Derby based upon a 95 Beyer is sheer folly. Not only is she not close to being good enough she is also not especially bred to be effective at a mile and a quarter. Only superior filly's like Winning Colors should be considered for the Derby. Isn't it bad enough that we have mediocre colts taking up spaces in the field?

i did watch the replay and i have the chart in my hand.....the horses who were on or near the early pace quit they finished 6,7,8, out of 8, the other horse near the lead was cotton blossom and she had nothing for the winner the winner blew by, i am impressed with the winner shes a nice horse and i love e dubais, but i dont think she'd have a shot in the derby.

And the 1,2,3 horses early on in the Derby last year finished 16,19,20 in a field of 20.

She's not your winner, but if Teuflesburg can have a spot in the gate, why can't she?

Teuflesburg will be hard pressed to have enough earning to get in, not that he has any business in there....and he is probably 5 lengths better than High Heels

The average winning Beyer (or "par figure") for the Derby is something like 110 or 111.

Even in the most sub-par of years, it will take more than that to win the race. And, in her most recent race, she parlayed a fairly nice trip into a career best performance....I agree...she belongs in the Oaks. Obviously.

I can see High Heels running out of the money in The Gardenia at Ellis Park. In fact, that'll probably be her comeback race if she runs in the derby.

I love it when all these small timers win a race. They all think they have the next Ruffian. She likes Oaklawn.... she couldn't even win @ the FG against her own. Please...

thats what im saying you give me the worst colt or gelding in the starting gate and he's at least 5 lenghts better then this filly, thats all i have been trying to say from the begining

She will kill Birdbirdistheword

lol ok you got me on that one, but hes another horse that does not belong there, they should just let me decide the 20 who run and then everything would be ok.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

Remember this next time before you send me some huffy boo-hoo private message.

If she goes, I will take action that she will not finish last -- which should be a great bet for you, considering that she is "at least 5 lengths better" than the worst colt or gelding in the race.

You would select Tiago, NoBiz, and 18 random Giants Causeway colts

i will give you that action, and about the pm you waste your time correcting me on a horse that was 29.30-1 i said 30-1, and you waste a post to correct me ? find something better to do

tiago nobiz street sense great hunter and 16 random Giants Causeway colts

LOL

Fantastic. Someone will give me action that a horse will NOT finish last in a 20 horse field. Best betting proposition of my life.

Give me odds.

And I posted on your odds post simple because I hate numerical inaccuracy...it was not wasted time in the least. Plus, I'm trying to increase my post count with irrelevant posts -- and you say I learn nothing from you.

dude yes it was 29.30-1 or 30-1 ? whats the difference in the 100wps i had on him, doller amount how much more do i get if he's actually 30-1 ?

lets make the bet right now because the filly wont even make the gate so she wont even get the chance to finish last.

It has nothing to do with what you bet. If he's not 30-1 he's not 30-1. I'm all about factual accuracy.

And we can't make the bet until she's going to the Derby -- the bet is sort of predicated on her going to the Derby. I thought that was obvious....oh well.

no i'd take the bet now, because you have a great shot that she wont run last i should at least get the shot that she wont even make it


and as for the 30-1 its very petty of you to correct me on that in my opinion im sure im not the only one who would have said it was a 30-1 winner.

yeah okay, but remember we don't count monopoly money wagers around here.

lol you can belive that if you want, im still to excited about the cash to let that bother me.........
but i will point out that, thats getting old because you are the first one to question if i actually made the bet, and it now is 2 days after the cash.

Well sorry that I'm concerned with factual accuracy - I called Antitrust out on the very same thing awhile back. So as much as you'd like to think so, it's not just you. A horse is not at X-1 odds until the horse reaches X or greater to 1 odds. I'm sure she'll vouch if she reads this.

And the bet was predicated on your assertion that she would not be within five lengths of any horse in the gate. Therefore, she needs to be in the gate for the bet to work. Your words, not mine. So, should she enter, I'll be glad to pull this sumbitch back up and hold you to it. What'll the odds be, considering that I'm giving you a five length headstart?

lol if she is entered we will discuss it, i will give you the action if she runs no doubt about it, we will discuss the odds and the wager when and if the time comes.

I wanna know now what kinda odds you will give me. We have a good idea of who will enter, and of course you should only be concerned with the 19th best horse in the field as far as the bet goes, because that's the only horse she has to beat. Of course, she will enter, you'll offer me 1-10,000,000 odds that she won't run last and I won't take it. So let's hash it out now since you're so sure and I'm interested in knowing to what point you'd back that wild assertion.

relax, not now im going to bed soon, if she runs we will know days ahead of time and will have plenty of time to figure it out, just real quick you tell me what you think fair odds would be ?

maybe the first one to put it in a post, certainly not the first one to question it.

thats fine.....

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You're the one who's sure she is five lengths worse than anyone else in the field.

Obviously, I realize that the odds are in my favor -- so I'd even be willing to stretch it for better odds to say that she will finish better than 15th. So not only will I give you that she won't finish last, but that she will beat more than a quarter of the field.

ok so what odds do you want and what will the bet be that she will finish better then 15th, i will take any bet for any odds that you want that she does not finish better then 15th, respond back within 2 min or im going to bed, im getting tired