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Cannon Shell 04-07-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Chuck....think you could do any kind of improvement with a horse that has this kind of record??

17 starts -0 wins-0 places-1 show

I hardly think that would be worth my time and effort, especially if it would take away from my board time defending the racists

skippy3481 04-07-2007 09:41 PM

People get wayyyy to defensive about stupid stuff like this. I'm offended all the time but who cares. I'm offended everytime a rap singers says the F word on the radio. I'm offfended every time i see someone talking on the phone while driving and cutting people off. The point is, ignore it. If your spending your time worrying about what that a talk show host called you a racist name, then your not going to hack it in life. And I absolutely love how Al Sharpton is all over this. Black people can disparage white people with no problem, but hold your pants if it comes in reverse. Jesse and Al want to set the world on fire.

Coach Pants 04-07-2007 10:43 PM

I want my White Entertainment Television!!

Mortimer 04-07-2007 10:48 PM

I wonder if Jeremy Wariner has been called the new White Lightning.




And can this be termed a racial slur???

How does Iran fit into this?

Downthestretch55 04-08-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And I am talking in a public sense not saying that it is ok to offend people personally

As was I "talking in a public sense".
I stated that "if I was a trainer..."---hypothetical (no name).
If anyone took personal offense and found the need to defend based on that,
perhaps his words speak louder than his actions, though to me, actions have always spoken louder than words.
Some might need to develop a thicker skin, whatever color one is born with.

Cannon Shell 04-08-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Some might need to develop a thicker skin, whatever color one is born with.

Which would seem to support my original post, no?

Let me understand your stance. It is awful for a public figure to "offend" a particular group even though the 2 have no ties or contact but on a personal level people need to develop a thicker skin?

Downthestretch55 04-08-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Which would seem to support my original post, no?

Let me understand your stance. It is awful for a public figure to "offend" a particular group even though the 2 have no ties or contact but on a personal level people need to develop a thicker skin?

Interesting question.
I'm not sure I can give a correct answer either way.
All I can say is my personal opinion, that being that one need not go out of their way to "offend" (nor defend). If it means having a thicker skin (despite its color) to tolerate racism, well, again...in my humble opinion, racism is not tolerable and needs to be spoken against.

Also, if you took anything I said as a personal attack on you, my sincere apologies. A good friend, who also worked for H Allen, and went to dinner with you both, told me of your ability as a horseman. Joey says "hi".

Mortimer 04-08-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Interesting question.
I'm not sure I can give a correct answer either way.
All I can say is my personal opinion, that being that one need not go out of their way to "offend" (nor defend). If it means having a thicker skin (despite its color) to tolerate racism, well, again...in my humble opinion, racism is not tolerable and needs to be spoken against.

Also, if you took anything I said as a personal attack on you, my sincere apologies. A good friend, who also worked for H Allen, and went to dinner with you both, told me of your ability as a horseman. Joey says "hi".


Oh Joey would say hi to a frog.




Let's drop the name dropping...shall we?

Coach Pants 04-08-2007 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy
Oh Joey would say hi to a frog.




Let's drop the name dropping...shall we?

I just took the name dropping as a subtle threat. It's kind of hilarious and a typical move by the granola police.

pgardn 04-08-2007 11:42 AM

I must admit ignorance concerning Imus. I saw a recent picture of him. How can a man with a head of hair like his insult anyone else's nappy hair. He looks absolutely ridiculous. The 70's are gone Mr. Imus, meet Edwardo Scissorhands. God Lord, a virtual hurricane of protein fibers reaching the status of Marge Simpson with a bit of color added.

But then again he is on the radio. He should request that his picture above the forehead be deleted.

golfer 04-08-2007 11:48 AM

For Imus, the 70's are important, it's both his age and when he started in radio. He's been trying to catch up to Stern since the early 80's.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-08-2007 11:53 AM

He needed to say something outrageous to improve his radio ratings...they all do it.

Downthestretch55 04-08-2007 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy
Oh Joey would say hi to a frog.




Let's drop the name dropping...shall we?

Duh.....


some of my best friends


are




frogs




Shows how much you know








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2MinsToPost 04-08-2007 11:59 AM

I would suggest that if you were that bothered by what Imus said maybe you should contact his employer? I could care less. If he said that he hates skinny white bald guys who occasionally drink and gamble too much I would say - who cares what he thinks? My skin has grown VERY thick over the last year and a half, two years as my maturity both in the "real" world and the online world has grown leaps and bounds.

One thing I have learned rather quickly is that I worry about my life and not what others think about how I am leading it. If I am making the right decisions and doing the right things, then I will sleep at night.

Mortimer 04-08-2007 12:05 PM

Mr.Toast:

Would you ask Mr.Stretch if he plays with real Monopoly money?

Downthestretch55 04-08-2007 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
I would suggest that if you were that bothered by what Imus said maybe you should contact his employer? I could care less. If he said that he hates skinny white bald guys who occasionally drink and gamble too much I would say - who cares what he thinks? My skin has grown VERY thick over the last year and a half, two years as my maturity both in the "real" world and the online world has grown leaps and bounds.

One thing I have learned rather quickly is that I worry about my life and not what others think about how I am leading it. If I am making the right decisions and doing the right things, then I will sleep at night.

Good Curt.
Did, also the FCC.
Tell Dorty, I play with real green. I no longer respond to his....b














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Mortimer 04-08-2007 12:19 PM

-:>



( got a haircut)

Downthestretch55 04-08-2007 12:27 PM

Curt,
Forgot to tell you.
AQ, 4/11 Race 7. Unbridled Danger, bet across.

Mortimer 04-08-2007 01:12 PM

I thought so.






It's not real Monopoly money.

Byebyemermaid 04-08-2007 06:50 PM

I listen to Imus everyday and he and his staff pick on everybody.I'm jewish and i laugh at the fun they make of jews.His producer Bernard does a routine as the cardinal where he announces the winning lotto numbers amongst other things and used to where a Fed-Ex letter package as a hat.I've yet to hear any Christian organization up in arms about it.Lets face it Al Shapton thrives on other peoples misery.That's the only time you hear from him.It's no different in the Sean Bell case.When all the evidence is produced it will be proven that those policemen acted wiuthin the guidelines.I'm still waiting for Sharpton to apologize about the Tawana Brawley case where a young girl made up a story that she was raped and had fecies put on her.It happened in Wappinger Falls NY.It ruined one guys life.Sharpton and his buddy Alton Maddox never apologized for what they did.The irony is that my sister in-laws parents were principals in schools in Brooklyn and Sharpton went there and was a troublemaker then already.Hey Al you happen to remember Yankel Rosenbaum who was killed in Brooklyn by Lemerick Nelson.

pgardn 04-08-2007 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid
I listen to Imus everyday and he and his staff pick on everybody.I'm jewish and i laugh at the fun they make of jews.His producer Bernard does a routine as the cardinal where he announces the winning lotto numbers amongst other things and used to where a Fed-Ex letter package as a hat.I've yet to hear any Christian organization up in arms about it.Lets face it Al Shapton thrives on other peoples misery.That's the only time you hear from him.It's no different in the Sean Bell case.When all the evidence is produced it will be proven that those policemen acted wiuthin the guidelines.I'm still waiting for Sharpton to apologize about the Tawana Brawley case where a young girl made up a story that she was raped and had fecies put on her.It happened in Wappinger Falls NY.It ruined one guys life.Sharpton and his buddy Alton Maddox never apologized for what they did.The irony is that my sister in-laws parents were principals in schools in Brooklyn and Sharpton went there and was a troublemaker then already.Hey Al you happen to remember Yankel Rosenbaum who was killed in Brooklyn by Lemerick Nelson.

This is interesting because Sharpton getting all mad at Imus made me think Imus might not be such a bad guy. I remember when that girl made up the story about being raped by the clan. Sharpton got all involved and it turned out to be a hoax and after Sharpton had criticized about everyone in the country he shut his mouth and never put up a retraction. Never apologized to the police and all the people he had punched in the press. He does thrive on hate.

Imus must still retract his hair statement with the mess he owns.

timmgirvan 04-08-2007 07:57 PM

Usually he has a cowboy hat on....not all 'poofy' like that shot!

SCUDSBROTHER 04-08-2007 09:34 PM

I think, with a show like his, you need to know the context,and you wont get it unless you watch (or listen)to that particular show.I would say each day that the people working for him call him ugly,or dried up etc.,and they (especially Imus) laugh about it.He is dead serious about some things,but this is not one of them.He is paid to entertain,and he starts getting nervous when the show isn't being funny,and he will start something crazy like this talking about players' looks.

pgardn 04-08-2007 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I think, with a show like his, you need to know the context,and you wont get it unless you watch (or listen)to that particular show.I would say each day that the people working for him call him ugly,or dried up etc.,and they (especially Imus) laugh about it.He is dead serious about some things,but this is not one of them.He is paid to entertain,and he starts getting nervous when the show isn't being funny,and he will start something crazy like this talking about players' looks.

This above be true.
But ya gotta think about who you are insulting. Most of the Girls actually go to school and really are student athletes. Its almost like picking on High School kids. The Mens basketball... you can rap them to death. I dont think Imus would have got in trouble questioning how Noah got so ugly given her mother is Miss Sweden. The Ho stuff was a bit much. Only rappers are allowed that stuff.

Although the ugly Presidents daughters on Sat. Night live was always funny. God did they slay Amy Carter. That girl was just beat up. Billy Carter was fair game... (RIP) big fella.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-08-2007 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
This above be true.
But ya gotta think about who you are insulting. Most of the Girls actually go to school and really are student athletes. Its almost like picking on High School kids. The Mens basketball... you can rap them to death. I dont think Imus would have got in trouble questioning how Noah got so ugly given her mother is Miss Sweden. The Ho stuff was a bit much. Only rappers are allowed that stuff.

Although the ugly Presidents daughters on Sat. Night live was always funny. God did they slay Amy Carter. That girl was just beat up. Billy Carter was fair game... (RIP) big fella.

This is actually nothing new for this show,but the "heavy" was different in this situation.They normally have this Bernard character say these things,and then Don tells him it's inappropriate etc. He'll say "That's an unfortunate comment." Seems that the audience accepts the fact that Bernard is a racist,or is playing one.If Don says something outrageous,he almost always apologizes (says that he didn't mean that) right away.I am surprised anybody took this guy seriously.You'd be complaining a lot about this show if you take it seriously.

golfer 04-09-2007 05:10 AM

Phil Mushnick of the NY Post writes about this this morning. He's been on the Imus case for years.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04092007...ick.htm?page=0

Downthestretch55 04-09-2007 12:22 PM

Interesting...how this thread proved something.
When it started, someone said to not take offense.
Then later, when the same someone thought I was taking a shot at him, he took offense (nevermind the unconnected name-calling). Then to defense mode. Yada yada yada.
It only proved my point. Go back and reread this thread from the first page and you might see for yourself.
Now, back to Imus...he'll be on Sharpton's radio show. He also wants to meet the Rutgers Women's BB team to apologize "face to face".
My best guess is that if he had the opportunity to take back his words, he would. Unfortunately for him, it might be too late.
Racism and sexism are not going to go unnoticed, and certainly not unchallenged.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/sleza...arol08.article

byalip 04-09-2007 01:15 PM

I'm really outraged by Imus and sick of slick racist innuendo.

I'm also sick of BET and WB giving airtime to videos, music and tv shows that have black kids calling one another ho's and ni**as. These dumb kids are basically cr*pping on 300 years of black struggle in the USA to gain respect.

What they've done is made these words and ideas mainstream. Now every white kid--or radio host, like Imus--is using those words to appear cool.

Let's be honest--it's one thing to use a slur within the community, be it black, jewish, polish or whatever--but you are really crossing way over the line to intended insult and racism when you are not part of that group.

byalip 04-09-2007 01:19 PM

One more thing...

Did you know that one of the women Imus insulted has a straight 4.0 average and another has a triple major? To reduce these scholar-athletes to a racist stereotype simply for entertainment is reprehensible.

I'd like to hear Imus say what he said to these girls' fathers and see what reaction he gets. Do you honestly think they'd find it funny?

Mortimer 04-09-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
I'm really outraged by Imus and sick of slick racist innuendo.

I'm also sick of BET and WB giving airtime to videos, music and tv shows that have black kids calling one another ho's and ni**as. These dumb kids are basically cr*pping on 300 years of black struggle in the USA to gain respect.

What they've done is made these words and ideas mainstream. Now every white kid--or radio host, like Imus--is using those words to appear cool.

Let's be honest--it's one thing to use a slur within the community, be it black, jewish, polish or whatever--but you are really crossing way over the line to intended insult and racism when you are not part of that group.


OOOOOOOOOO

Mortimer 04-09-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
One more thing...

Did you know that one of the women Imus insulted has a straight 4.0 average and another has a triple major? To reduce these scholar-athletes to a racist stereotype simply for entertainment is reprehensible.

I'd like to hear Imus say what he said to these girls' fathers and see what reaction he gets. Do you honestly think they'd find it funny?


OOOOOOOOOO

byalip 04-09-2007 01:27 PM

You knew I ride into town sooner or later, didn't you?

Downthestretch55 04-09-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
I'm really outraged by Imus and sick of slick racist innuendo.

I'm also sick of BET and WB giving airtime to videos, music and tv shows that have black kids calling one another ho's and ni**as. These dumb kids are basically cr*pping on 300 years of black struggle in the USA to gain respect.

What they've done is made these words and ideas mainstream. Now every white kid--or radio host, like Imus--is using those words to appear cool.

Let's be honest--it's one thing to use a slur within the community, be it black, jewish, polish or whatever--but you are really crossing way over the line to intended insult and racism when you are not part of that group.

Byalip,
Pay that other one no mind (how appropriate:) )
Here's more fire...right back at Imus.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/50351/#more

Mortimer 04-09-2007 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
You knew I ride into town sooner or later, didn't you?

Yer sure no one to mess with.


Pay no never mind to ClownTheRetch.



He ain't worth the paperwork.

Grits 04-09-2007 01:37 PM

The NYPost article is a very good one. And Byalip is right here, in every sense of the word. And so is DowntheStretch who has fought this one.

WHY get offended? My question is along the lines of WHY NOT, if I was the parent of one of these young women?

This man is screwed, and he knows it. Like ALL shock radio, and most talking heads, he's nothing beyond his own mouthpiece. Just like Stern, Limbaugh, et al.

When anyone feels they can only elevate themselves at the expense of others, sooner or later, they get their comeuppance. Imus has done this for sometime.

He's simply an old, doddering, man.

Cajungator26 04-09-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
I'm really outraged by Imus and sick of slick racist innuendo.

I'm also sick of BET and WB giving airtime to videos, music and tv shows that have black kids calling one another ho's and ni**as. These dumb kids are basically cr*pping on 300 years of black struggle in the USA to gain respect.

What they've done is made these words and ideas mainstream. Now every white kid--or radio host, like Imus--is using those words to appear cool.

Let's be honest--it's one thing to use a slur within the community, be it black, jewish, polish or whatever--but you are really crossing way over the line to intended insult and racism when you are not part of that group.

I disagree. I don't think it's right to slur those kinds of words PERIOD. I don't care if you're in that 'group' or not.

byalip 04-09-2007 01:45 PM

Nicely put, GRITS.

What's really sad is that the Imus Ranch is a terrific charity and the Imus Greening products, which I use, are also a good and important product.

Both will suffer because of this incident. That's what racism does and that's the unfortunate price....the innocent and good suffer.

byalip 04-09-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I disagree. I don't think it's right to slur those kinds of words PERIOD. I don't care if you're in that 'group' or not.

Maybe I didn't make myself entirely clear. I AGREE with you that it's not right to use those words either within or outside the community. The little experiment with making them mainstream to kind of take the sting out of the original meaning just hasn't worked. They've retained their original ugliness.

I was trying to explain that anyone from outside the community is really getting into very deep trouble.

Grits 04-09-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Who gives two sh!ts about what some ol' washed-up has-been says?

I would think, mostly no one Baba. Still its wrong for these women and their families.

More importantly, how is the kidney stone, and how are you feeling? Much better, I hope.


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