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Coach Pants 03-31-2007 07:24 PM

Chelookee (sp) should run in the Lexington and then be the spoiler in the Preakness.

Kasept 03-31-2007 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Jack Junior will also be toying with the idea of running in the Derby so that will set him further down the list.

TRIVIA OPP: Who was the last maiden to run in the Derby?

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-31-2007 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
TRIVIA OPP: Who was the last maiden to run in the Derby?

The ill fated Nationalore ???

Sightseek 03-31-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
TRIVIA OPP: Who was the last maiden to run in the Derby?

hmmm, Not sure...three maidens have won; Buchanan, Sir Barton & Broker's Tip, correct?

Pointg5 03-31-2007 08:33 PM

Scat Daddy is a game talented horse, I love how he's still not getting respect, leave him out of your Derby tri at your own risk.

miraja2 03-31-2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Scat Daddy is a game talented horse, I love how he's still not getting respect, leave him out of your Derby tri at your own risk.

Yeah, at this point I probably will leave him out, but the way he has looked these last two starts you are correct, excluding him is definitely a risk.
Regardless of how he runs in 5 weeks though, he turned out to be better than I thought. He didn't just win a "prep" race today. He won a million dollar G1, and he deserves credit for it.

XIIPointStables 04-01-2007 07:20 AM

Just watched the race for the first time.

Very game Scat Daddy. Cherlokee didn't get the best of rides from R. Dom.

I can't see Stormello getting the 1 1/4 but he may be your pacesetter May 5th.

SOREHOOF 04-01-2007 08:42 AM

I think you're being too hard on Ramon. He saved ground on the rail, pressed the pace along side of Scat Daddy waiting for the rail to open up (like it usually does) just when it did, Scat brushed Stormello into the rail closing it off again. When he angled back outside he seemed full of run, closing well but he wasn't catching Scat Daddy. Scat Daddy runs just fast enough to win. I've been on his bandwagon since being at the Sanford and seeing his gutsy win there. Heart and guts wins a lot of races. Dominguez had the right idea, and seemed ready to get first run on Stormello. He seemed more of a victim of racing luck than anything. I think it only cost him second anyway. Scat Daddy raced 3 wide the whole way and seems very likely to get the mile and a 1/4. Go Scat Daddio!

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-01-2007 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
The ill fated Nationalore ???

Was I right Steve???

cakes44 04-02-2007 07:24 AM

That 57.3 workout for Adore the Gold a week ago really worked out nicely for him in this race. Has he finished yet?

ArlJim78 04-02-2007 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
That 57.3 workout for Adore the Gold a week ago really worked out nicely for him in this race. Has he finished yet?

The workout may not have helped, but i am really sceptical about this horse running 9F or greater effectively. Perhaps the workout was too much, don't know for sure but i wouldn't have expected much better even with no excuses.

XIIPointStables 04-02-2007 09:27 AM

Looks like we can look forward to a strong pace May 5th, as Stormello is confirmed by Currin for the race.

lemoncrush 04-02-2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Looks like we can look forward to a strong pace May 5th, as Stormello is confirmed by Currin for the race.

Being a fan of horse racing and not in the business, I would never 2nd guess a trainer who has been around as long as Bill curin, but shipping from California to Florida for the 2nd time in 5 weeks and running in the FL Derby instead of running (as a probable favorite) in the Santa Anita Derby is mind boggling. The timing is better (4 weeks to the Derby) and although the field looks weaker, it would still be a solid prep and a $1 Million purse.
It seemed he was blowing so much smoke about a rematch with Scat Daddy and not thinking of the long-term affects.

Antitrust32 04-02-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
I think you're being too hard on Ramon. He saved ground on the rail, pressed the pace along side of Scat Daddy waiting for the rail to open up (like it usually does) just when it did, Scat brushed Stormello into the rail closing it off again. When he angled back outside he seemed full of run, closing well but he wasn't catching Scat Daddy. Scat Daddy runs just fast enough to win. I've been on his bandwagon since being at the Sanford and seeing his gutsy win there. Heart and guts wins a lot of races. Dominguez had the right idea, and seemed ready to get first run on Stormello. He seemed more of a victim of racing luck than anything. I think it only cost him second anyway. Scat Daddy raced 3 wide the whole way and seems very likely to get the mile and a 1/4. Go Scat Daddio!

The thing is, Chelokee finishing 3rd instead of 2nd (which we generally concluded he would have finished if he didnt have to check slightly and go around horses) probably costs him a trip to Churchill May 5th because of graded earnings.

lemoncrush 04-02-2007 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Scat Daddy is a game talented horse, I love how he's still not getting respect, leave him out of your Derby tri at your own risk.

Scat Daddy will get respect on Derby Day.
He won't be the favorite, but I see him being under 10-1

I think highly of him, but he may have peaked last Saturday.
Interesting to see if Prado campaigns to keep the mount for the derby, or if he looks elsewhere.

XIIPointStables 04-02-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Being a fan of horse racing and not in the business, I would never 2nd guess a trainer who has been around as long as Bill curin, but shipping from California to Florida for the 2nd time in 5 weeks and running in the FL Derby instead of running (as a probable favorite) in the Santa Anita Derby is mind boggling. The timing is better (4 weeks to the Derby) and although the field looks weaker, it would still be a solid prep and a $1 Million purse.
It seemed he was blowing so much smoke about a rematch with Scat Daddy and not thinking of the long-term affects.

Agreed tenfold. The horse appears to be a hell of a fighter. The problem is I think Currin got caught up in the "fight" with Scat Daddy and as you said, threw out the long-term effects.

zippyneedsawin 04-02-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
The ill fated Nationalore ???


I think that's right.. I was going to say Tincin, but remembered he didn't actually run.

miraja2 04-02-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Looks like we can look forward to a strong pace May 5th, as Stormello is confirmed by Currin for the race.

That is good news for all of the CQ fans out there.

FATPIANO 04-02-2007 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Scat Daddy will get respect on Derby Day.
He won't be the favorite, but I see him being under 10-1

I think highly of him, but he may have peaked last Saturday.
Interesting to see if Prado campaigns to keep the mount for the derby, or if he looks elsewhere.

Johnny V stays with CQ and Prado stays with Scat Daddy, I expect 6-1 on Derbay Day.........Go Daddy Go

Cajungator26 04-02-2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO
Johnny V stays with CQ and Prado stays with Scat Daddy, I expect 6-1 on Derbay Day.........Go Daddy Go

I hope that's correct... Prado seems to be a better fit for him IMHO.

zippyneedsawin 04-02-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO
Johnny V stays with CQ and Prado stays with Scat Daddy, I expect 6-1 on Derbay Day.........Go Daddy Go


I think between 8-1 and 10-1 is about right. The Blue Grass winner will be well bet(and Street Sense if he doesn't win there) , as will Cirular Quay.. and possibly NoBiz if he beats CQ in the Wood. As is typical, the most recent runners/winners get the most attention. Just look at the weekly 'derby contender' polls.

whodey17 04-02-2007 11:00 AM

No way does Scat Daddy get a sniff of 6-1 on Derby Day. I think most people will forget about him come Derby time. If Street Sense, Quay, Any Given Saturday, Hard Spun, No Biz Like Show Biz all run well in their final prep then they will all be bet before Scat Daddy will be forgotten. I didnt even mention the 2 possible wise guy horses in Cobalt Blue and Curlin. However, Daddy fits in well with a couple of numbers. He ran the last eigth in 13.09 and the final furlong in 37.78. We all look at anything under 13 and 38. If Daddy gets an OK post you are looking at probably 12-1 to 16-1.

FATPIANO 04-02-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
No way does Scat Daddy get a sniff of 6-1 on Derby Day. I think most people will forget about him come Derby time. If Street Sense, Quay, Any Given Saturday, Hard Spun, No Biz Like Show Biz all run well in their final prep then they will all be bet before Scat Daddy will be forgotten. I didnt even mention the 2 possible wise guy horses in Cobalt Blue and Curlin. However, Daddy fits in well with a couple of numbers. He ran the last eigth in 13.09 and the final furlong in 37.78. We all look at anything under 13 and 38. If Daddy gets an OK post you are looking at probably 12-1 to 16-1.

that would be a gift........Go Daddy Go

NTamm1215 04-02-2007 11:40 AM

[/quote] He ran the last eigth in 13.09 and the final furlong in 37.78. We all look at anything under 13 and 38. If Daddy gets an OK post you are looking at probably 12-1 to 16-1.[/quote]

His final three furlongs were in :38.18 seconds. It was 1:10.82-1:49.00. Just FYI.


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